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It seems to me you want to reason on the scriptures in such a way that you're saying God programmed Adam and Eve to sin and die. You are the one saying, not me, that God foresaw Adam and Eve sinning before creating them and he planned accordingly. If God foresees something, anything, before it...

I understand how you believe about the phrase, "he chose us in him before the foundation of the world," I just disagree with how you see or understand that phrase. I understand that you truly believe that the scriptures imply what you believe, it's just as I said I disagree with what you believe...

Desire can be abused just as anything else. There is nothing wrong with eating food but you still can abuse food so that what you eat and how much you eat can be unhealthy for you. You can desire the wrong thing just as the angel desired what did not belong to him to desire. He wanted to be...

I disagree with you, but people have the right to believe what they choose to believe, but I do disagree with what you said, "that the Apostle John at John 1:1, 2 is speaking of the creation that began in the first century."

I could care less about the three earth ages you talk of. I care what God inspired men to write down. What God has to say is more important than what anyone has to say about the three earth ages. So as I said there is no scripture that God inspired men to write down that says we existed as...

Pierac: I don't agree that Revelation 13:8 means that God ordained Jesus sacrifice before he created the universe. A saviour wasn't needed until after Adam and Eve sinned. Revelation 3:14 shows us that Jesus is the beginning of creation, so when the True God began creating, the first person he...

If I did it was a misprint, I've always believed that the Only Begotten Son of God is the Word. He was the person who was with God in the beginning and who was the beginning of the creation by God. The Only Begotten Son of God who is the Word was the person that God caused to become human and...

There's no scripture that I've seen that shows we existed as spiritual beings before God created mankind.

I don't agree that there is a hint in the scriptures at revelations 3:14 that John is speaking of a new creation. The context is the beginning of creation when the True God started creating which includes the creation of our universe.

John 1:1 shows the Only-Begotten Son of God is the Word he was with God in the beginning. Whether anyone else believes that or not is their choice. The scripture at Revelation 3:14 says Jesus is the beginning of creation so since I believe the Only-Begotten Son of God to be a person the...

Jesus existed as a person before Adam existed.

I agree

John 3:31,32; John 6:38 shows that the Only Begotten Son of God was in heaven before he came to Earth as a human.

Wow, you're really against studying and applying the word of God. Jehovah's Witnesses have read about the miracles in the scriptures. They know that God using his Holy Spirit working through his Only Begotten Son can do all kinds of miracles. However they don't think a person isn't a Christian...

People don't tell the whole story about Jacob and Esau.

Grailhunter said: The Christian buzzword fornication is not actually in the scriptures. The word comes out of the Latin and retrofitted into Christian Bibles. [/Quote\] I understand that different Bibles have different translations of the Greek word, porneia. However I've checked many Greek...

Mungo said: Psalm 104:5 Thou didst set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be shaken. That can be interpreted as the earth is fixed and does not move.[/Quote\] I guess someone could interpret it that way with the version of the scriptures you quoted, but the king James...

Ok so he was a arrested and spent the rest of his life under house arrest.

I was asking Windmillcharge the question, "why was Galileo ordered to turn himself in to the Holy Office to begin trial for holding the belief that the Earth revolves around the sun, which was deemed heretical by the Catholic Church," because windmillcharge said that Galileo wasn't...

The question arises then why was Galileo ordered to turn himself in to the Holy Office to begin trial for holding the belief that the Earth revolves around the sun, which was deemed heretical by the Catholic Church.