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    The Only Way We Will Ever Agree

    Dear APAK, You said: I do not agree with your marriage analogy of the 1st and the last rains as the historical two rain cycles in two seasons of the same year. 1Cor 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The...
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    The Only Way We Will Ever Agree

    Dear APAK, The Early and Latter Rain analogy used in God's Word is purposely very concealed and only taught in Christ's spiritual language. But after a person has eyes that can see it, they can find the concept taught in many, many teachings of Christ. In the marriage analogy, when an...
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    The Only Way We Will Ever Agree

    Dear Mr. Bruno, You said: Your "latter rain" theology came out of a confused Pentecostal who just interpreted rain as the Holy Spirit. No, what I have been presenting is NOT what the Pentecostal church teaches. I have presented the Early and Latter Rain analogy to many Pentecostal believers...
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    The Only Way We Will Ever Agree

    Dear APAK, Thanks for your comments. Conversion only occurs by the very specific spiritual work of Christ that He does within a person. It has nothing to do with a person's actions or their walk. Christ is the Savior and He is the one who does the saving. Mankind can contribute nothing and...
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    The Only Way We Will Ever Agree

    Dear Spyder, The story is a parable. It uses "spirit" words (John 6:63) to teach its message (like all of Christ's teachings do). Below I will quickly summarize the parable's meaning. Here is the story: Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a...
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    Why not Everyone will be Saved

    Dear 12question, Read the verse again. Scripture is given so that the man of God may be perfect. Perfect means to be converted and spiritually matured. Understanding the truth taught by scripture is necessary according to Paul. Joe
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    The Only Way We Will Ever Agree

    Dear marks, Yes, they are true but you are misunderstanding them. Look at how Peter addresses the letter: 2Pet 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ...
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    The Only Way We Will Ever Agree

    Dear marks, Since you are not showing any signs that you are going to be able to "see" what I am presenting, there is no purpose in continuing trying to help you. It's just not your time now - but your time will come. God's Word says so: 1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight...
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    The Only Way We Will Ever Agree

    Dear marks, You said: Early and latter rains are seasonal rains. They are used for examples of when we need patience, but there is no teaching of an early and latter rain as some kind of 2-step spiritual growth. The Early and Latter Rain concept is very concealed in scripture. It is not milk -...
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    The Only Way We Will Ever Agree

    Dear marks, I agree that God's Word does not contradict itself. I never said it did. Also, there are no statements in my posts that are contradicted by scripture. In fact, I went to great lengths to present the scriptures that support my statements. If you believe there are contradictions...
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    The Only Way We Will Ever Agree

    Dear marks, What you stated above is very confusing - and from what I can tell, it has very little scriptural support. Scripture says that the truth of God is purposely concealed from this world and from believers (Early Rain only) who have not been converted. Even for converted believers...
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    The Only Way We Will Ever Agree

    Dear Marks, Here is the way that a person becomes to a "perfect man" and has a true knowledge of the truth of God: Mark 8:15 And he charged them, saying, take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod. 16 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, it is because we...
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    The Only Way We Will Ever Agree

    Dear Spyder, The one lamb that "follows a different trail" is representative of the Elect. The 99 sheep represent the "many" who are called but are not chosen for salvation in this age. They will not be a "first fruit" of Christ's harvest of mankind. Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are...
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    Why not Everyone will be Saved

    Dear 12question, Yes, but don't forget about what Paul said: 2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Joe
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    Why not Everyone will be Saved

    Dear Hobie, The "right hand" is a spiritual symbol for "works". Exo 15:6 Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy. If a believer is following a gospel which mixes their own works with the works of Christ, they should cut off...
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    Why not Everyone will be Saved

    Dear 12question, Here is what the spiritual symbol "1000 years" represents: 2Pet 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. In 2nd Peter chapter 3, Peter is teaching about Christ's judgment and how that...
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    Why not Everyone will be Saved

    Dear Jay Ross, What I have presented is the Gospel of Christ which is based solely on faith and the works of Christ. What you have been presenting is Satan's "another gospel" which mixes the works of man with faith. Your understanding of God's Word is filtered through your "works" based belief...
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    Why not Everyone will be Saved

    Dear Jay Ross, Whether you realize it or not, you were addressing how a person receives salvation. My response was based on the underlined portions of your comments below: From Genesis 12:3 we know that only those who have embedded themselves in God's fertile soil... Those who have chosen to...
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    Why not Everyone will be Saved

    Dear Jay Ross, Your understanding of how a person is saved is based upon the false belief that mankind has a free will ability to choose or reject Christ. This understanding comes from Satan's false gospel which mixes "works" (Old Covenant) with faith in Christ (New Covenant). When a believer...
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    Why not Everyone will be Saved

    Dear 12question, Even Satan and the fallen angels will someday experience the judgment of Christ. Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword (represents God's Word) shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay...