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Mark... You must be new to these Forums. I in no way am saying that the Trinity must be understood. What I'm saying is that it must be accepted. You'll be meeting many so called Christians that do not believe that Jesus is divine/deity. They believe Jesus was the Son but not God... They...

Yeah. I think we're locked in for either 8 or 12 years. RHS

What about Vance? I think he's going to have to be the next in line. I'd hate to see him and Rubio facing off.

I agree. The lines have been drawn. No more common sense and being unified for important matters that affect everyone. I watched the state of the union address. Saw how the Dems just sat there when they should have joined their counterpart and stood up for what is right. I don't know how we...

Agreed. Death was conquered at the resurrection. I think we all agree on this. Thanks!

Except Amigo....that no church has everything 100% right. We'd have to learn church history and live like the early Christians. Seems like moden-day man is unable to do this. Even most Christians.

LOL The other person was telling me that death was conquered at the cross. I always believed it was at the resurrection. We all know that with God there is no time.

I feel that churches are almost afraid to preach what Jesus would want of us. I never hear it stated clearly...without any doubt. The CC has pre-cana classes. Nice. But I never hear from the pulpit that divorce is non-existant in God's eyes. They do preach the gospel,,,but it just never goes...

Yes sir. I do believe that we need to read scripture for ourselves. It used to be, before the reformation and immediately after it, that the church always taught the same doctrines... at some point MEN started coming up with different ideas about what Christianity is and here we are today with...

Are you saying it is BOTH at the cross and at resurrection? I think we all agree on the above.

But that doesn't answer the question in the OP !

I agree. Sin was conquered at the cross. Death at the resusrrection. We all seem to agree on this.

I always said that the reformation was necessary.... but it's caused problems too. Just like everything I guess.

I was thinking about this a lot today. Maybe the problem is these non-denominational churches? Some guy comes up with some new idea, has charisma, and starts up his own church. Maybe the mainline churches should be doing some complaining? Would that be negation of freedom of religion? Or would...

I asked because sometimes you sound very Christian, and other times you seem to depart somehow, in a way which I can't really explain. It might be the language you use. Seems that we Protestants can't even use the same language.. And so it goes. Will reply t oyour posts later....no time now.

Agreed on all. And I've come to the conclusion that Protestantism is ruining the Christian religion. I say religion....whether or not one has faith is a personal matter. The ideas that some are coming up with are most distressing. Brand new ideas, never taught by the Christian church. Maybe...

Are you of the Bahai faith?

Trevor I refuse to debate this with another Christian. Christians are supposed to believe that Jesus is NOT created, but has always existed as the 2nd Person of the Trinity. Which is what this thread was about. And, yeah, I would NEVER use Hebrews to show that Jesus did not exist before He...

I did see that. It's the ole' double standard. The ole' LET'S USE ANYTHING TO FUTHER OUR AGENDA.... It was terrible and the media has been doing this FOR YEARS. Same with BLM.... They could do not wrong. Burning down bldgs was reported as being a peacefu protest. Same thing. EVERYONE that is...

All those things in the list will exist. Except they won't exist BY FAITH but by reality being lived. Depends how you understand faith. Do you believe faith means believing in God without seeing Him? or do you believe faith means you know for sure, 100% certain that God exists? Most...