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I agree completely that Jesus was fully human, and in terms of his flesh and blood existence, he had a conception and a birth when his fleshly life began. No question about that. But what I’m asking you is about that part you slipped in, that Jesus was completely human, just like everyone else...

Agreed.

Then that would make Gentiles and the church distinct as well. So who's left to make up the church? I think Paul was saying to not give offense to God's church or to the Jews and Gentiles outside the church that they might be saved. In Christ, Pilgrimer

The church includes Israel. For me, one of the easiest ways of understanding Israel's place in God's plan is to consider the New Jerusalem, which is what the church as a whole looks like in the spirit. The twelves gates of the church are the 12 tribes of redeemed Israel, Old and New Testament...

We are speaking of Old Covenant things that were shadows of future events. Every instance where I spoke of the symbolism of trumpets was drawn from how they were actually used in Old Testament times, and how that symbolism was fulfilled in New Testament times. Where in the Old Testament were...

They are fulfilled by those who have been rebirthed (if I might use that term). Jesus is our example of how we are to walk with God. He loved the Father and loved people in a way no other ever has. But Jesus didn’t love people because he was commanded to, because God said “you will love.” Jesus...

“… Jesus Christ: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.” I would be interested to hear how you parse this passage to mean something other...

As a student of New Testament archaeology I can assure you the destruction of the entire Mosaic economy is not wishful thinking, it is stark reality. But everything I have read in Scripture on this subject is about the feasts passing away, not the days on which the feasts were celebrated...

I think God being spirit makes it much more difficult to understand his nature, it is much more complex than our human nature. We are told that Christ existed in the form of God (I assume that means existed in spirit) before he took on himself the form of a servant and became flesh. And Jesus...

I understand, I was just pointing out that we mere mortals are a perfect example of how a single being can have a triune nature without being three separate beings. I'll take your response as agreement on that point. Whether or not you think that could apply to God is entirely up to you. In...

But my friend, they have passed away. They haven't ceased to exist on the calendar, or where they were written in the Scriptures, but that's true of all the feasts. By "passed away" we mean they have ceased to be observed according to the Law. When God brought an end to the Temple and...

I don't recall reading that rule in Scripture. I do however recall reading in Scripture the things that I cited as ways in which trumpets were used symbolically in Scripture, and ways in which during the days of Messiah that symbolism came to pass. Why don't you tell me what you think the Feast...

Have you ever thought that we are created in God's image and we have a triune nature, body, soul, and spirit, and yet we are one being. Why is it anathema to view God as a triune being. Are we created clay mortals more complex than God? In Christ, Pilgrimer

If that were true Bible students would agree on everything. But I'm afraid Scripture is very much up to widely different interpretations, and they seem to be as common as noses. And we also must not reject fulfillment simply because we believe Jesus has not fulfilled all types and shadows. So...

I'm afraid it's not quite that simple. The field of study you are referring to is Biblical Typology and it's generally not a branch of study that most Bible students delve into but is usually relegated to academicians and historians ... unfortunately. The reason it seems to be so easy to grasp...

I haven't read through this thread so may have something more to contribute, but no, a shadow is predictive of a particular event and that event must come to pass for the shadow to be fulfilled. In Christ, Pilgrimer

Many years ago I ran across Jesus’ words, “Therefore every student of the Law which is instructed in the Gospel of the Kingdom is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.” I took those words to heart and have spent many years studying...

There is nothing pagan about celebrating birthdays or commemorating the milestones of a person's life. It is actually a Biblical practice going back as far as Abraham who held a feast when Isaac turned two, the age a child was weaned, and the 13th year was a time to celebrate a young man/woman...

A shadow being fulfilled means whatever it foreshadowed comes to pass. If a shadow is abolished and is not fulfilled, it was not actually a foreshadowing of anything. But I think the crux of the issue is whether or not Jesus fulfilled all the Law (including the fall feasts). I contend that he...

Allow me to make one more observation. Be careful in trying to construct a passion week chronology based on Jesus' fulfillment of a particular sacrifice. His crucifixion and death fulfilled every single sacrifice and offering of the whole law, which were not only offered on Passover, but at...