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Not to get saved he did not so why are you misquoting paul as teaching a legalistic gospel. and why do you continue to refuse to answer my verses I have posted over and over. where Paul refutes and teached against works added to grace for salvation?

lol. dude, sorry but you have a massive pride problem The poster said Paul tried to decieve people by teaching things Jesus did not You did not show me anything that Paul taught that was against Jesus own words. lol.. As I have been with you people. why do you think it is so easy for me to...

Gods grace is unmerited favor I can not earn grace by not lying cheating and steeling. The lye is if you keep from doing these things, Maybe God will save you..

Paul said this Eph 2: 8-9 For by GRACE I HAVE BEEN SAVED ( A completed action) through faith not works 2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ...

Actually no. I responded to a post from a member who made this statement so i asked him what Paul taught that Jesus did not You did not pay attention to who I asked the question to or why. You just wanted to continue your attack against me. and just made a huge mistake.

lol. Yes. And for those who have received him, he saved them totally. You just said it, it is a gift. A gift can not be earned. and it is not a downpayment, Otherwise. it is not a gift. Your unworthy every day whether you sin or not.. How many death sentences do you have since you were born...

so this counters what Jesus said? So Jesus did not say this? This counters what Jesus said? Faith is the strength by which we do good deeds. Without faith it is impossible to please God But you want to do works apart from the power of God and take credit for yourself Yeah, Not of works lest...

No Jesus dieing on the cross is the price of love and mercy. If he did not do this, you would be dead where you stannd, and have no hope of eternity Ah,, so we have to clean ourselves up. The cross is not enough to clean us (even though scripture says we were washed by the blood of the lamb)...

what did Paul say that Jesus did not say?

His faith was perfected by works Abraham had a weak faith in Gen 15. Yet that faith of a mustard seed saved him completely. Not decades later Your right, I am not arguing with you. Paul; is.. And paul will win..

going off the words, if it is grace it is no longer works. otherwise grace is no longer grace. IE, grace and works can not mix. basically saying if I lie cheat and steal I can lose salvation. Basically saying that grace and works again must be completed if we are to be saved. which goes...

You say it when you reject that we are saved by grace through faith. but we have to earn our salvation by doing works. come on man. You know what you believe why are you trying to hide it? If it is grace it is no longer works. otherwise Grace is no longer grace The apostle paul was it not...

so you admit that you still require GRACE to be saved. because of your own merit you have fallen short. and would be condemned where you stand/ I grasp it. Sadly. i do no think you do the wage of sin is death, the GIFT of God is life Your still trying to earn the gift. hence reject grace...

why do you pump your chest as if you somehow have arrived and are perfect? Are you saying you no longer sin?

Paul said in rom 4 we are saved by the same faith of abraham, the father of us all So you do not want to be saved that way too?

did we just find the problem?

if you do get water baptized to recieve eternal life Then it is just a work of self righteousness Now if you did it in gratitude and obedience because you were given eternal life. well then that is a work of righteousness

talk about bearing false witness. @mailmandan never made any such statement

amazing how we both say the same thing..

Actually He got his interpretation from the greek Even the old english bibles show it. Rent ye, (plural) and let every one of you (singular) be baptized In greek repent is 2nd person plural and goes with gift of the spirit Be baptized is 3rd person singular. and goes with remission of sin...