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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I agree that lawlessness, in the broadest sense, began in Eden. Sin entered the world through rebellion against God. But I do not think that is what Paul is specifically identifying in 2 Thessalonians 2. Paul is not giving a general theology of sin from Genesis to Revelation. He is answering a...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Before we identify the restrainer, I think we need to ask a more basic question: what is the lawlessness Paul says was already at work in his own day? Paul does not say the mystery of lawlessness would only begin at the end of time. He says, “the mystery of lawlessness is already at work.” So...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Yes, perhaps we can focus first on the 7 items listed in section A. So yes, Paul is addressing their question about when Christ will return - did He already come ? So A1 is addressed. Now how about A2 and A3? Thanks.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    In 2 Thessalonians 2 Paul gives us enough markers for identifying the term, "lawlessness," the "timing"of when this "lawlessness begins and ends," and the ability to identify the man of lawlessness. If one can identify each of his marker's in Scripture and history, then the field of possible...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    The Fourth Kingdom, the Clay, and the Rise of the Little Horn Daniel does not present the fourth kingdom as a static power. Pagan Rome begins as the iron kingdom before the cross, ruling over the covenant people with military strength, legal authority, and imperial dominion. At that stage, the...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Because the papal system (little horn of Daniel 7,8 and 11), did not exist in the 1st century. As I mentioned to another poster earlier, there were those that preached a different gospel even within the Apostolic period. But the lawless one would COME OUT of the 4th kingdom much later. The...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I may have misunderstood what you were posting.... I think you may be connecting Matthew, the destruction of the physical temple as well as the "desolation" that would occur altogether? If so, this would certainly be a nice discussion if you want to share yours? Thanks.
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Thanks and you are indeed correct, we do not see scripture the same way. But I do nit know anyone that does.
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Thank you for your response! Daniel is such a difficult book to interpret and, as you know, there is absolutely no consensus of opinion within the scholarly community. And this also makes for a really nice opportunity to discuss and learn how others interpret the many prophetic verses in...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    That is fine, you certainly do not have to agree. But I am not using NT to shine light on OT. Rather, I have a very comfortable and have a complete understanding of Daniel where there are no missing interpretations, no contradictions among the 12 chapters and where every chapter presents a...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I agree with the distinction you are making. Paul does distinguish between the “mystery of lawlessness” already being at work and the later revealing of the “lawless one.” So I would not say the man of lawlessness was already fully revealed in Paul’s day. But I do think Paul’s wording allows for...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I think your caution is indeed fair. 2 Thessalonians 2 does not explicitly define the “temple of God” as either physical or spiritual, so we should not overstate the argument from that phrase alone. But when we bring Daniel into the discussion, the spiritual-temple reading becomes much stronger...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I certainly agree with you. In Matthew 24:1–2, I do think Jesus is referring to the physical Temple because the disciples are specifically pointing out the Temple buildings. His answer directly addresses what they are looking at. But I don’t think the meaning stops with the physical structure...
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    Help... the four creatures in front of the throne in Revelation

    @William Barton, I would ask you if you intend to reply to the post I sent you... Do you agree that sin is made by our choice or not? Thanks.
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    the beast with seven heads and ten horns - the Roman Empire

    One Week The phrase “one week” in Daniel 9:27 stands at the center of longstanding interpretive debate. Some theological systems separate this final week from the preceding sixty-nine and project it into the distant future, constructing a seven-year tribulation governed by a future antichrist...
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    the beast with seven heads and ten horns - the Roman Empire

    Here is another partial narrative for 9:27... In the Middle of the Week, He Shall Bring an End to Sacrifice and Offering… The seventieth week of Daniel’s prophecy is the culminating chapter in God’s redemptive timeline—a seven-year window deliberately set aside for the Messiah to fulfill the...
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    the beast with seven heads and ten horns - the Roman Empire

    Here is a partial narrative on 9:27... Daniel 9:27 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation...
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    Help... the four creatures in front of the throne in Revelation

    I don’t see Romans 9:14–29 teaching that God created sin. That passage is about God’s sovereignty, mercy, judgment, and His right to use even rebellious people within His purposes. But using sinful choices is not the same as creating sin. Scripture is very clear that God Himself is not the...
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    A Simple Way To Recognize The FINAL Beast Kingdom

    No, you neglected to interpret 41-43… thanks.