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The Gospel of Christ has been mostly received by the Gentiles and not the Jews. The majority of Israel has been blinded to the Gospel. (Rom. 11:25) I praise God for John N. Darby and C.I. Scofield, and other Dispensationalist's. They helped to form a systematic theology around end time events...

Makes no sense. You can't have them as unbelievers and being saved at the same time. Stranger

(Rev. 4:1-4) "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediatelyI was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne...

I believe the twenty four elders do represent the Church in Heaven in (Rev. 5:9). The idea of the Rapture, and 7 year Tribulation, and Israel and the Church, is based upon Scripture. You don't have to agree with it, but to say it isn't based upon Scriputre is not right. Stranger

Makes no sense. 'none of them are saved' 'they are being saved' You just don't want to admit that Gentiles will be saved during the Tribulation. Stranger

It doesn't as you still make the Church and Israel the same. When you say 'national Israel' I am viewing them as the God believing, Christ receiving as their King, 'national Israel'. They don't exist at this time. When an individual Jew turn to Christ at this time, even though he is in...

Belief in God and Christ are the same as I am talking about the God of the Bible. The only God. The Church does have Jews in it. But it is predominately Gentile. Yes there is only one Church of Jesus Christ. Well, I agree that the Church started in (Acts 2). You had it start earlier...

In #(331) you indicated those who were not ovecomers were in the church but not of the church. That means they are not saved. If you don't have the Spirit of Christ, as you also indicated they didn't, then you are not Christian. You are not saved. (Rom. 8:9) Point being: those who were in...

But in post #(343) you say Israel is brought into the Church. This makes no sense. If Israel is brought into the Church, she is part of the Church. Thus they, the Church and Israel, are the same. The Church is made up of both Jews and Gentiles who come to Christ. They lose their national...

Then you recognize a distinction between the Church and Israel. Two separate bodies of believers. To this I agree. I disagree with what you have as the beginning of the Church. You have it prior to (Acts 2). Though the full rejection of Christ by Israel took place in (Matt. 12), the...

There is a Jewish state of Israel. And Israel is made up of Israelites, called Jews. Though one be a Jew or Israelite, that doesn't make him an Israelite or Jew before God. (Rom. 2:29) But, that doesn't make the Gentile who is right before God a Jew. It only makes the one who is an...

@CharismaticLady Why did you ignore post #(332)? Stranger

I don't understand your question 'when I don't know what God thinks' ?. God has given His Word so that we might know what He thinks. The problem does not begin with 'Pre-trib'. It begins with the method of interpretation. Due to your method of interpretation you arrive at the conclusion of...

I know. It is due to two different methods of interpretation. When I say 'Israel' and you say 'Israel' don't mean the same thing....forget it. Stranger

Your redefining Israel as the Church colors everything you read. Stranger

The point is you don't want to know, for some unknown reason. Because you don't want to know, you tend to ignore any Scriptural proof that supports it. Not all those who are Dispensationalist's hold to the cessation of gifts of the Spirit. I don't. You have it in your head that the...

If they don't have the Spirit, then they are not of Christ. They are not saved. (Rom. 8:9) "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Stranger

So? I just showed you. #(321) Plus, the Church is gone. Raptured out. (Rev. 4:1) Not addressed again till (Rev. 22:16) Thus (Rev. 7:9-17) speaks to Gentiles being saved during the Tribulation. Why do you believe Jews are saved during the Tribulation? Good-Ole-Rebel

I'm not trying to test you. I'm trying to show you that you don't know the Dispensational Doctrine. You say you don't care, but yes you do. You speak against it so you care. But though you speak against it, you don't know it. And though you don't know it, you don't care to know it. You...

I have read the letters. There is nothing to identify the ones who were not overcomers as Christian, (Rev. 1:21) (1 John 5:5), and as those in (Rev. 7:13-17). They are Gentiles for sure. And they are saved during the Tribulation. Point being: It is not just Jews who are saved during the...