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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    I don't mean to be rude, but to be blunt: do you have facts to support your responses before you assert them, or do you make things up? Seems like you just made up an etymology for "anepsios" without any grounds for it. For instance, Numbers 36:11, LXX: καὶ ἐγένοντο Θερσα καὶ Εγλα καὶ Μελχα...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Not sure your "authorities," but your view is inconsistent with the grammar in the immediate context. Perhaps don't mock as contrary to "grammar" a view that makes better sense of it than your own. I mean, we could go down the line on each of these points, again. But your bare assertions as to...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    I understand. It's just, well, let me put it this way--how Scott Hahn concludes in Hail Holy Queen is a good reminder for us all: "when you defend the Blessed Virgin, you're defending your mother, not a quarterback, not a goal line. You should defend her only as she would want to be defended."
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    This doesn't respond to the point. No argument here that God used men to choose the books that would constitute Scripture. The issue is, which books? As a Catholic, that's easy for me to answer - the books the Church identified, which it has the authority to decide, authority given to it by...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Hang on, now. I gave you historical data contradicting your claim that the "apocrypha" were not considered Scripture until Trent. You replied with a bald assertion. Argue in good faith, please, and back up your historical claims with facts, not assertions.
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    This misses the point. Here's the Greek text of Tobit 7:1-4, part of the LXX: ΚΑΙ ἦλθον εἰς ᾿Εκβάτανα καὶ παρεγένοντο εἰς τὴν οἰκίαν Ῥαγουήλ, Σάρρα δὲ ὑπήντησεν αὐτοῖς καὶ ἐχαιρέτισεν αὐτοὺς καὶ αὐτοὶ αὐτήν, καὶ εἰσήγαγεν αὐτοὺς εἰς τὴν οἰκίαν. 2 καὶ εἶπε Ῥαγουὴλ ῎Εδνᾳ τῇ γυναικὶ αὐτοῦ· ὡς...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    "Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless." James 1:26. I said that not for my sake but for yours. Interesting. Debatable, I suppose. But since you think your position is elementary grammar...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    This seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle about the immaculate conception, and sorry if I missed it, but what is the response to kecharitomene? Greek Fathers (native Koine speakers) read these words and recognized their significance. Did you get a response here that deals with this text and...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Far be it from me to lecture on tone, and it seems like you and Ronald Nolette have a long history, but brother to brother, just asking - lets try to let the truth, goodness, and beauty of the "faith once delivered" and preserved by our "one holy catholic and apostolic church" do all the work...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    This ignores the point - which "Scripture," and who decided that for you, since the Bible does not contain an inspired table of contents? You have to resort to some extrinsic authority to decide what is "Scripture" and what is not. Hence the point - Sola Scriptura is a logical contradiction.
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Filtering out the ad nominem and other mudslinging-- First, Tobit 7:2-4 in the LXX uses "cousin" and "brother" as synonyms in reference to the same person, mere sentences apart. Whence this idea that they didn't have a word for "cousin"? (And note that these words were used synonymously there...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    The "Romanist" slur is uncharitable (and tragically misguided). It's a shame you insist on it. That aside, perhaps I missed it, but what is your response to John's use of "adelphe" in John 19:25 to refer to another Mary as Mary's "sister" - which, unless you believe Mary's parents were...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Without meaning to be disrespectful (though disrespectful rhetoric does appear to be the preferred currency around here!), this is difficult to respond to because it is confused. Let's start with the big picture: it appears that your original claim ("sola Scriptura" is taught in the Bible) is...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    On the second paragraph here, as for what's said about the Church Fathers--a few small nuances we could quibble over aside, this is right. The Church Fathers certainly are nuanced, and their standalone writings are certainly not infallible. Ultimately, these points are just a very small part of...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    I don't fully understand your point or which "catholic doctrine" you think "came later." But that aside, from your perspective, who decides what is "heresy," if there's no Church vested with authority to make those judgments? Seems like its up to each person to make that call for themselves. Is...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Let's focus on the first paragraph of what you said. A couple things-- 1. Which "passages and words" do you refer to when you refer to "passages and words that say Scripture is the source for all issues of faith, doctrine and practice"? 2. What "Scripture" is referred to in these passages you...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Right. In other words, no one (at least no one orthodox) argues that the Church Fathers' writings are infallible or otherwise on par with Sacred Scripture. But they are very helpful sources to understand Sacred Scripture, given that they were much closer in time to Jesus, the Apostles, and the...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    There's a lot thrown out here to think about and discuss, and sorry if I missed details earlier in this conversation, but to take things one by one-- Where in the Bible does it teach "sola" scriptura? (And, just to make sure we have the same definition in mind, I understand "sola scriptura" to...