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  1. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: No Scripture states that God created this faith in a select number of people by grace; rather, we who believe {{{gain our access}}} into this grace in which we stand. Christians do boast in the hope they have in Christ by their faith in him. As the Christian continues to...
  2. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    Not according to the Apostle Paul (Romans 4:2-5) setst777 said: God prepares for destruction those who are objects of His wrath (those who do evil) even though he was patient. God appoints beforehand for glory those who will believe. God chooses to form a vase for blessing or punishment, and...
  3. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: Nothing in those verses state that God created some to be good or bad, or created Jacob to love and Esau to hate. “Election” means to “choose.” God chooses to save those who believe in His Son, because His Son died for the sins of the world, so that, all those believing in him...
  4. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: Your thought wrong. As I have repeatedly stated, God foreknows us, and foresees us, and He also searches our minds and hearts; and so, according to His plan of Salvation, he acts on certain people whom he foreknew to work his plan of Salvation for all sinners, so that everyone who...
  5. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: "Divine Determinism” is fatalistic. According to you, there is no “our actions” that God did not already create. Divine determinism is the belief that God so arranges the affairs of the universe that everything and anything that ever happens is efficaciously orchestrated by God...
  6. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: God’s election of Jacob and Esau was not for salvation but was according to God's plan and purpose before they were even born. We all agree that “God's regard for the boys was decided before they were born,” which was according to God’s plan. However, “Romans 9:9-13” does not...
  7. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: We all agree that God loves and hates individuals, but you will never understand why God hates some and loves others because you refuse to read the context of why God loves some and hates others, even before they were born. You thought wrong. As I have repeatedly stated, God...
  8. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    Continuation of teaching from the Apostle Paul about our security in the faith… Hebrews 3:12-15 (WEB) 12 Beware, brothers and sisters [Christians], lest perhaps there might be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God; 13 but exhort one another day by day...
  9. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: In actuality you are rejecting the Gospel of Christ Jesus (John 3:16-18). You do deserve a reason why, and you shall get it. I did not say that you reject the Gospel of Christ lightly; but rather, I said that after careful consideration of what you wrote in your responses. So, I...
  10. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    True, just like you, they misunderstood God’s justice. They could not understand why God formed/prepared them for the destiny they now live out as discipline, so why does God find fault? However; God can harden whom he desires, and shows mercy on whom he will, and God will elect various...
  11. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: You choose, [or as you say God created your choices] to infer/assume that God created people to harden, and created people to for the purpose of showing compassion and grace, as if by a Script, but such is never taught by Paul in any of his Letters, nor did God ever state such a...
  12. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: We already discussed this. You choose to infer/assume that God created some to hate and others to love, although Paul never taught such a thing in Romans 9 or any of his other Letter, nor did God ever state such a thing. God’s election of Jacob and Esau was not for salvation but...
  13. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: Grace is granted to those who have faith. It is not for you to throw in the words “descriptive” and “prescriptive,” as James White does, whenever you cannot answer with Scripture. Descriptive: Romans 4:13 (WEB) 13 For the promise to Abraham and to his offspring that he should...
  14. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: For instance, God 'shows mercy on whom he will show mercy, and compassion on whom he will show compassion' (Romans 9:15). Regarding salvation, Paul explains that God’s kind intension to have mercy on all (Romans 11:32). We already discussed this. No one denies that God's mercy...
  15. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: You write that Paul would never contradict God, but yet you want to interpret Romans 9 as if Paul was teaching that God acts according to your doctrine of Divine Determinism. Yet, Paul never taught that God determines everything, including all the choices we make (good or bad) as...
  16. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    While the Scriptures teach that those who do remain faithful are saved now; in that, salvation is guaranteed (a present possession) to those who believe, there is no such guarantee for a person’s “faith,” “obedience,” or “endurance.” The words "may," "might," "if," and "should" are extremely...
  17. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: The fact is that Paul did give Scripture evidence, referring to the OT, for the whole Gospel revelation he preached about. That is how Paul reasoned with the Jews. If you use a study Bible, you will see all the many OT references Paul made in his Epistles. God elected Isaac, not...
  18. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    setst777 said: Paul would never contradict God. You write that Paul would never contradict God, but yet you want to interpret Romans 9 as if Paul was teaching that God acts according to your doctrine of Divine Determinism. Yet, Paul never taught that God determines everything, including all...
  19. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    Can you show me the Scriptures that teach “God exerts his power to maintain our belief? So far, you have provided verses that you say prove this to be true, but, in fact, they only prove God provides the power to be saved by our faith in him. So, show me the Scriptures that plainly teach that...
  20. setst777

    TULIP an open discussion

    Divine determinism, as you define it, is only in your mind - a doctrine which you hold to, even though the Scriptures do not plainly teach it. I believe in Divine Determinism; in that, God has determined to save all those who freely choose to believe in Lord Jesus. And God has determined to...