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    Pre-destination and the elect

    \i think o get the jist of what your saying! Your saying the soul is deestroyed right! OK then what was the most destructive thing in the ancient world? Fire! The fire lasts forever, which means that the soul is destroyed forever and won't come back. I can see that there migth be a case for...
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    7 min. in hell

    All that nothingness soudns liek Limbo but the children in Limbo were suppsoed to be happy. Alos, you are right about it not being a doctrine. it was a commonly held belief but never official church doctrine. In fact the late Pope John Paul II did actually officially declare that Limbo does...
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    7 min. in hell

    h ecould have been in Limbo. I do know that this is a medieval Catholci invention but you have to admit that it does sound smilar. Now I also know that Dante's infrerno is only fiction but in it Limbo is part of hell, which is reserved for non-Christians who were good people described by Dante...
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    7 min. in hell

    Thank you for this video. i've watched a few of these near death experiences and more people seem to see hell than heaven. I believe them. Hell in these videos is described in different ways but all these people agree who ahve been there that they don't want to go back. it re-affirms my...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    I really do hope we have choice. I've been a faithful Christian all my life and I would hate to be told on the day of judgement that I am going to hell because it was decided before i was even born. "Sorry, nothignpersonal but your just not on the list1 Next!" I jsut wish there as some way we...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    Surely, though, if God is in total control then nothing happens without his saying so. That means that he must have at some point, possibly before he even create the world, decided two would coem to jin hm in his kingdom ndwho would perish in the fires of eternal peridition. Maybe, Hell isn't...
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    The Myth of the Poverty of Jesus

    he wasn't poor and destitute. Sure he didn't have a lot of material posessions, but why would he? He said it is better to store up treasure in heaven. Jesus and his disciples had money, but they held it in common and Judas had control over the purse, why this was I don't know. Some of his...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    We;;, what does make people wicked? Some people can have a lovely upbringing but just be rotten through and through and some can have a terrible life na d he wonderful people, so surely those who are wicked are pre-determned to be wicked in order to test the faithful who are either destined to...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    I lnow what you mean, Joe. Since God is in control of everything, then surely ll the misery and and evil in this world has to be God's will. iits not nie but I guess it's reality.
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    Dear justaname it soudns that I must be one fo the elect, though i know that the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. It is his perogative to do so. JoeiArkansas You are also right. god does use evil. The devil, though opposed to God is only able to work his wickedness if God so allows it.
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    So, all those who are left outside the city walls of the New Jerualem will eventually get in so long as they accept Jesus. However, those who do perish in the Lake of fire are the oens who have obstinately chosen not to follow Christ and spurned his gift of grace. However, I don not believe...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    Yes, everyone dies physically and this is the result of a fallen world and sin but the true wages f sin is the second death. John 6 shws us that we all die but those who believe and eat of the bread of life shall be raised up from the dead. Now, this makes me think that those who do not...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    JoeinArkansas, I get what your saying but I don't udnerstand how Hell can be unscriptural. Afterall jesus mentioned Hell more than he talked about heaven. In the NT we are warned again and again that there is a hell and it is forever, so I don't know how this cannot be supported by scripture...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    I suppose fairness is a matter of human intepretation but God is truly just and all deserve Hell, so in a way it woudl be only right for god to just send us all there. However, the gift of grace that he offers us through the deatha nd ressurection of his only son is made available to us even...
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    Pre-destination and the elect

    I'm really struggling with the idea of predestination for a select few that God ahs set aside to be spared the torments of eternal hell-fire. As i udnerstand it, all are guilty of sin and fall short of the glory of God. Therefore all deserve hell, but God through his mercy and grace has...
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    Jesus vs Satan

    Wasn't he senior to Michael back when he was an angel?
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    Jesus vs Satan

    Satan was anointd back wen he was an angel but he can't be anointed now. As for the picture, well that is the popuar image of the devil. What he looks like is probably the same as he did when he was an angel. Now he is a fallen Angel and still has a lot of the powwers and privilages of an...
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    What Is The Purpose Of Taking Communion ?

    Mungo I know perfectly well, the criteria for admission to the Eucharist in the RCC. I was asking in general terms to all members of the forum taking part in this discussion, the majority of whom are not Roman Catholics.
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    What Is The Purpose Of Taking Communion ?

    What do most of you think of someone taking communion who is not even Baptised. As a member of the Church of England I wasn't allowed to recieve Communion as a child because I had not yet been Confirmed but now each Parish can give out Communion at their own discretion which in most cases means...
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    What Is The Purpose Of Taking Communion ?

    I just noticed this thread. so please excuse me jumping in at this stage. I take communion as often aspossible, usually every week sometimes twice a week. At our church we are directed by the church wardens to form an orderly line in which we approach the altar while the choir sings and then...