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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Paul said: 1 Cor. 9:24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will...
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    Evading and more evading. Tired of your evading, only good night is left. I won't keep myself trying to reason to a person who doesn't mind even what Jesus said. It's practically like trying to reason with @Wick Stick when he didn't even believe that the Bible is all inspired. Accept Jesus'...
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    When Jesus is identified as the Son of Man (from Dan. 7:13, 14), what is being done is to identify a Son of God who became human to obtain the kingdom. Someone who has not been a human being cannot reign over humans. Jesus, as Son of Man, was the offspring of the woman in Gen. 3:15. This does...
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    Are the sons of God who live with him in heaven before humans were created, made of flesh? You can't seem to accept that it's so easy to understand the existence of sons of God who live in heaven, and that Jesus (although not by that name) was already among them before being born as a human. I...
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    And I answer you again: Did you know that before humans existed, there were already millions of sons of God in heaven? You just have to understand that reality, and you'll see how easy it is to see who Jesus was as the first and most important among them. It's that simple.
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    I don't mind your apologetic about the manna. I am mentioning Jesus' own words. You need to accept what he said, not question it.
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    Do you think the sons of God mentioned here are flesh sons of God? Job 38:4 Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me, if you think you understand. 5 Who set its measurements, in case you know, Or who stretched a measuring line across it? 6 Into what were its pedestals sunk, Or who...
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    Apply your own words to yourself: It's sad. What need do you have to twist Jesus' words? They are not to be interpreted but to be accepted.
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    I mind what Jesus said and that is what is important. Jesus clarifies that he was with the Father before coming to the world, and also describes his return to where he was before: a coming and a returning to the same place. John 6:62 What, therefore, should you see the Son of Man ascending to...
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    That's what I say: it's very simple, and who is complicating things for some? John 3:13 Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man. (...) 31 The one who comes from above is over all others. The one who is from the earth is from the earth and...
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    These other words of Jesus recorded by John are strikingly clear on the question of when God sent his Son into the world. John 16:28 ἐξῆλθον παρὰ τοῦ πατρὸς καὶ ἐλήλυθα εἰς τὸν κόσμον· πάλιν ἀφίημι τὸν κόσμον καὶ πορεύομαι πρὸς τὸν πατέρα. (NIV) I came from the Father and entered the world...
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    Are you seriously trying to question that it was the power of the spirit of God that made the miracle of Jesus' human conception possible?
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    That's funny. It is you who seems not to accept what they clearly state. I am not "imposing" anything into the text. You need to accept what you read. Com'on, really? Give me your best shot at explaining to yourself what each of those quotes means. Just do it, and let's see who is imposing...
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    The Word existed in heaven, had the form of God, and was at God's side. He was sent from there, and that is why there was no biological father at his conception: he already existed, and it was only a matter of being miraculously born in a new form, a human one. Phil. 2:6 who, although he was...
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    That's your doctrine, but you are not presenting any Scripture to prove... These things Jesus said: John 3:13 Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man. (...) 31 The one who comes from above is over all others. The one who is from the earth...
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    Not an Emanationist nor an Adoptionist. The Word was another Son of God in heaven, the principal among millions of others sons of God in spirit form, who came to exist before the physical world in which we live.
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    The Bible says that God sent his Son. Jesus was born the Son of God, because he had no biological father. So an interesting question is: when did God send his Son: when he was born, or when he was baptized?
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    No one should accept someone else's whim that isn't even directly justified by Scripture. It's more accurate to consider Jesus the Word of God because he is His spokesperson, not because he is His power, as you say. What does "the Word" have to do with power? Of course, anyone can invent...
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    The Word in John 1:1 was another spirit person next to God, not an abstract thing. We know that because before writing John 1, John already knew that the Word is a name of Jesus in heaven: Rev. 19:11 I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and...
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    John 1:1 and Jesus’ Sonship in Adoptionist thought

    Some people imagine that John says what his own mind tells them but, he doesn't say that anywhere.