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    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Luke 24:44-46 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it is...
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    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    Unfortunately, that’s just not a convincing answer to me . But I do appreciate the dialogue, and your attempt to fit Christs words into your theological framework.
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    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    I agree it likely means quickly. It’s an adverb describing the action “coming”. Helps word studies: [5035 (taxý) does not mean "immediately" or necessarily "in a very short time" but rather "without any delay."] Strongs lexicon: ταχύ (neuter of the adjective ταχύς), adverb (from Pindar down)...
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    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    When I say 1:1, I mean in a literal manner. 4:1 doesn’t make any sense in that regard. For example, Zechariah prophesies of the king riding on a donkey. Jesus literally fulfills this in the NT when he rides on a donkey, according to Matthew. But this 1:1 is not always the case, for example...
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    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    He said he did not know “the day nor hour”. Though, I would argue that is not the same as not knowing the general time frame, as he said that he did know “this generation would not pass away until these things were fulfilled”. For example, when a woman is pregnant, while the exact day nor...
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    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Thanks for the reply, but This doesn’t really address how we can determine when God determines a prophecy is fulfilled or yet to be fulfilled. sometimes the NT applies an OT prophecy to Christ in a literal fashion, a 1:1 if you will, like riding on a donkey, or his side was pierced. Sometimes...
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    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    I think the point, according to the Peter reference , is that God is outside of time. I don’t think it’s a formula for converting heavenly time. 2,000 years on earth is like 2 days (1000 years as a day) OR 730,000,000 million years (a day as 1,000 years) from Gods perspective. But God can...
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    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    5th seal. the first century destruction of Jerusalem fulfills God’s VENGEANCE in regards to all that was written (Luke 21:22) and Jesus charged the first century Pharisees/scribes/religous leaders/etc…with all the righteous blood shed since the foundation of the earth (Matthew 23:35). So the...
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    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    Does Jesus, being in heaven, have a different perspective of time than an angel, being in heaven, does? Also, How do you know it’s only been a couple of days in heaven ( assuming you are referring to 1000 years as a day)? Couldn’t it also just as equally have been millions/billions of years...
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    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Indeed, there are verses that speak about Christ fulfilling OT prophecies concerning him (Luke 24:44). There is a verse that state the OT prophets spoke about the apostles’ days (acts 3:24). There is also a verse declaring the destruction of Jerusalem fulfills ALL that is written regarding...
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    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    Not quite true. Jesus told John the events of revelation were to “quickly occur” and that the “time was near” in revelation 1. That is not “well into the future”. I think the prophecies of revelation that you could argue were “well into the future” would be those occurring post the “1000...
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    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    But different conclusions are often drawn on these descriptions of fulfillment, and oftentimes these differences can be due to factors such as culture, education, geographical location, socio economic, race, religious denomination, etc….. So how can a Christian concretely and objectively...
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    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    as Christians, how do we determine when God determines something is fulfilled or yet to be fulfilled?
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    All things written may be fulfilled

    Does the resurrection of unjust to shame and contempt, from daniel 12, involve any sort of vengeance?
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    All things written may be fulfilled

    The Roman armies surrounded and sieged Jerusalem in April of 70ad , right around the time of the Passover, when the Jews were pilgrimaging to the city as required by the law. It’s why there were so many jews in Jerusalem at the time of the siege. That’s a historical fact, not me “limiting when...
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    All things written may be fulfilled

    I never argued that Luke 21 can't mean there is other vengeance. My argument was that the destruction of Jerusalem, as written in Luke 21:20-23, is labeled as "wrath against THIS people" and "the days of VENGEANCE to fulfill all that is written". In other words, the destruction of Jerusalem in...
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    All things written may be fulfilled

    If we assume interpreting those passages in a hyper-literalistic fashion, then I absolutely agree with you, it would be absurd to claim that Jesus literally, visibily, and bodily descended from heaven in flaming fire and in wrath and vengeance upon the unbelievers that persecuted the...
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    All things written may be fulfilled

    Do these unbelievers that persecuted the Thessalonians include first century jews?
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    All things written may be fulfilled

    Historically, it was Passover as to why so many Jews were In Jerusalem during the siege of 70ad. Jesus called this siege by the Roman’s “wrath upon this people” , and “the days of VENGEANCE to fulfill all that is written.” The Jews, who rejected the gospel, and who persecuted the Thessalonians...
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    All things written may be fulfilled

    Sorry, had some formatting issues. OT practicing Jews had to travel to Jerusalem 3 times a year for required feasts. So I guess I still don’t understand your question, if the unbelieving Jews who persecuted Christians in Thessalonica travelled to Jerusalem for Passover and got stuck there to...