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  1. walter

    No Escape : From Hell

    For example Jesus says something.. And later in the New Testament one of the Apostles says some words that agree with something Jesus said already.
  2. walter

    No Escape : From Hell

    Isn't it true that everyone including myself have been deceived, if we don't listen to Jesus and the Apostles words and agreement?
  3. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    I favor the words of Jesus. The entire Bible does not explain, that someone destroyed is still alive in some way, but it does explain who gets life and who does not. Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many...
  4. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    I also agree on Scriptures first and foremost, because the Apostle Paul warns us to reject any new teaching that is not the original gospel that we gave you in the beginning. Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let...
  5. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Jesus said: eternal fire and eternal punishment / will not see life / wide road to destruction. Thank you for the conversation, I wish we could agree on something. :ntmetu Mark 4:12 that seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest haply they...
  6. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Revelation 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. New King James Version Are you and I, the Devil, the Beast or the false Prophet? ........ I have...
  7. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    So do I.. But I still want to keep on trying to improve on it. :hearteyes:
  8. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Why do you only listen to the words about Hellfire and not Jesus words about they "will not see life" and they are "destroyed"? why can't you believe in all these three points explained by Jesus?
  9. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Doesn't Jesus speak about love for God and love for neighbor as being more important than most anything? AI Overview Yes, absolutely; Jesus taught that loving God wholeheartedly and loving your neighbor as yourself are the first and greatest commandments, summarizing all other laws and prophets...
  10. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Thank you for the agreement, it's nice to be agreed with once in awhile. joy: Yes, Jesus spoke of Gehenna (often translated as "hell") as a place of never ending fiery judgment and destruction, but if we do the research Gehenna is now a place for concerts, and is no longer on fire. Allow me...
  11. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Don't you agree sometimes what Jesus says cannot be taken literally? Jesus says if your eye makes you stumble gouge it out and another time he says if you do not drink my blood or eat my flesh you have no life in you. John 6:53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the...
  12. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Well when I get there I hope I'm not alone. joy:
  13. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    IMO, condescending people are best left alone to their own demise...
  14. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Does the Bible give an indication of a place or a situation where it's appropriate to argue/fight/insult...? "Let your words always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should answer each person." Colossians 4:6 "But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always...
  15. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Yes Jesus talks about eternal fire and eternal punishment, but he also says if your eye causes you to stumble gouge it out and he says if your hand causes you to stumble cut it off, sometime Jesus uses his words to emphasize the importance. Yes, Jesus used simple, clear words like: many will be...
  16. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Thank you for your kind words. Jesus says many will be destroyed and some will not see life, if you choose to only believe a few scriptures instead of all the scriptures you can find on the subject, that is your prerogative, and I respect that you believe what you believe. I gather you like...
  17. walter

    No Escape : From Hell

    To me very important people to listen to are Jesus actual words or the Apostles actual words from long ago. Not something I could say!! Some words in the Bible are easy to understand some are difficult to understand. I sure wish we could agree on something. :ntmetu
  18. walter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Should we Strictly Only Believe the words at: Rev 20:10 " they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Ignoring other words in the Bible? Some "will not get life", "be destroyed", "be cut off" "vanish and disappear"? John 3:36 and Matthew 7:13-14 and Psalm 37:20, Psalm 37:34, and...
  19. walter

    No Escape : From Hell

    Sorry to waste everybody's time, I must be getting old I don't know, I heard one time when this guy was fairly old.. and he was talking to somebody on the public bus and he made no sense at all.. I reread my comments over and over, I thought the words made sense. Thanks for your advice though...
  20. walter

    No Escape : From Hell

    Doesn't everyone determine the truth about the 4th Century differently? :hearteyes: Myself I like to go with the actual words from Jesus and the Apostles to understand their words on most beliefs and practices.