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Zao is life We, many replies ago came to an impasse. Therefore, I have stopped reading your lengthy repetitive replies. Thank you for the discussion, I hope you will take the time to reconsider all that I've said to you. Blessings rwb

Yes, this is a very common teaching among Christians. Trouble is you cannot prove through the Scripture what you believe. If you've read what I've already responded to covenantee you will find that my belief is built upon an abundance of Scripture. This doesn't help your argument. Because...

Ok Covenantee, I feel we've come to an impasse. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my replies, I hope you will give further thought and consideration to what we have discussed. Many blessings rwb

Heavenly Jerusalem! The city of the living God. Since the advent of Christ Paul tells us when we are absent from the body, we are present with the Lord! After His resurrection Christ was seen ascending in immortal/incorruptible flesh up into heaven. Because flesh and blood shall not inherit...

This is an excellent verse! Where is the holy city they appeared unto many in after the resurrection of Christ? If it were the holy city of Old they would have been resurrected physically, but there is no verse of Scripture to prove these saints came out of the grave in physical bodies...

Christ declared the holy place of Old to be desolate before He went to the cross. When He said "Behold, your house if left unto desolate"! Luke 13:31-35 (KJV) The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. And he...

How can the physical city be holy after Christ came in the Kingdom of God? You said, "The Kingdom of God indwells the People of God". So, if Christ and believers represent the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven, how can the AOD be "Roman armies compassing the holy city of Jerusalem"?

How could the physical temple still be the holy place after Christ came with the Kingdom of God declaring Himself and His body (faithful saints) to be the Temple? John 2:21 (KJV) But he spake of the temple of his body. 1 Corinthians 6:19 (KJV) What? know ye not that your body is the temple...

That these things must be spiritually, not physically discerned. Since the Church on earth is the representation spiritually of the Kingdom of God, i.e. the holy place, what is the AOD spoken of by Daniel standing in the holy place (Kingdom of God) that "whoso reads, let him understand"...

The blood of Christ abolished the Old Covenant forever! It doesn't matter that after the cross the Jews continued to live under the Old Covenant through material sacrifices and offerings until the city and temple were destroyed leaving them no choice but to abandon that which Christ had already...

I would argue the Old Covenant ended when Christ came with the Kingdom of God and ushered in a New Covenant. It wasn't the Old Covenant that perished in 70 AD, it was the material/physical structures that represented the Old Covenant that vanished in 70 AD. According to Scripture we have been...

It really seems to depend on what is meant by "all things which are written may be fulfilled." I'm not inclined to believe this is speaking of all things being fulfilled in 70 AD. Lu 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all...

Now your confusing eternal life that only God can give with natural, mortal life that is reproduced within mankind naturally. To have eternal/perpetual/forever life is to have life through the Spirit of Christ in us, and that does not come naturally to man, but supernaturally when we are born...

You keep trying to force a distinction that is not there. Since the fall mankind possesses natural life within themselves. That's how man is able to reproduce natural/physical life to their offspring. Because Scripture says psychḗ (life) comes through spirit (heart, mind, soul, humankind)...

Yes, do you then also understand the Church on earth is the only representation of the Kingdom of God in heaven upon this earth? And when the Lord speaks of the literal, physical destruction of the Old Covenant city and temple it was that they/we might know that the Old Covenant representation...

Do you believe that when Christ came to earth with the Kingdom of God, it replaced the physical Holy Temple in Jerusalem that would never be called holy unto God again?

I've told you what I believe the purpose for measuring was. You obviously don't agree, so instead of keeping me guessing what you believe I have not rightly understood, why not simply tell me what you believe the purpose is?

The measuring is indeed for a purpose! To show the efficiency/efficacy of the cross. The temple of God, and altar, and them that worship therein, along with the court that is left out all represent the spiritual habitation of the Kingdom of God in heaven, that on earth is represented as the...

Prior to the two witnesses being sent out unto all nations, John was instructed to measure the temple of God, the altar, and them that worship therein. This measuring was of the temple of God, the altar and them that worship therein after Christ came to build the Kingdom of God as the gospel is...

Neither I, nor the Bible separates God's chosen people into two separate bodies since the advent of Christ coming to earth to save His sheep (Jew & Gentile). But we cannot deny there was a "first Covenant" according to Levitical Law as well as the New Covenant according to grace. The first...