Search results

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  1. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings again GodsGrace, Yes. Luke 2:40,52 (KJV): 40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. 52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. Another OT concept that helps to understand John 1:1,14...
  2. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings again GodsGrace, Because it would not initially help you unlock your particular way of deduction concerning John 1:1,14. I will answer my own question and leave you to contemplate John 1:14 in the coming years. The Wise Woman WISDOM in Proverbs 8 is not a literal woman, a woman...
  3. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings again GodsGrace, Perhaps I have fewer days as I am now 81 y.o. with some failing health, but I was brought up in the belief of One God the Father and my belief has been consolidated over the years, especially when I was 19 y.o. and our Youth Leader gave an introduction to the Yahweh...
  4. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings again GodsGrace, Perhaps one day when you come to understand what John 1:14 is actually saying, you will appreciate the Bible teaching that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father and that our Lord Jesus Christ is a human now exalted to sit at the right hand of God in God the...
  5. TrevorHL

    Keeping The Sabbath Day Holy

    Greetings Walter and Debbie, Gentile Christians are under no obligation to keep the Sabbath as Jesus is the True Sabbath and we find our rest in Him. Matthew 11:25-30 (KJV): 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these...
  6. TrevorHL

    The Kingdom of God

    Greetings Debp, NT Wright does not particularly mention that our Lord Jesus Christ will soon return to establish the Kingdom of God upon the earth and reign on the Temple Throne of David in Jerusalem for the 1000 years over converted natural Israel and the nations subjected and learning the...
  7. TrevorHL

    Bible reading plans

    Greetings again Matthias, I use the following Bible Reading Plan, the same as I mentioned in Post #12. It suggests that we read three portions each day, and this would cover reading the OT once per year and the NT twice a year. I only read one portion per day, and this then takes three years to...
  8. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings "GodsGrace", I consider that "I Will Be What I Will Be" is the correct translation. I consider that John 8:58 should be translated "I am he", the same as John 8:24 and John 8:28. Kind regards Trevor
  9. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings again Ronald David Bruno, I am not interested in a full discussion, and consider that I have given sufficient in support of my understanding of Exodus 3:14 and some indication of my view of John 8:58. Yes, I bow the knee to Jesus as per the following and this is in honour and to the...
  10. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings Ronald David Bruno, Interesting logic, but the majority are not always correct. On the basis of your logic as to your assessment of "Christianity" we should all join with the RCC and worship and pray to Mary as the Queen of Heaven and say the Rosary and thus live together in peace and...
  11. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings again bdavidc, Time for me to move on and leave you to your conviction. I have given substantial evidence that the translation "I will be" is correct. I could quote other advocates of this as the correct translation, but I consider that I have stated sufficient evidence. Robert Alter...
  12. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings again bdavidc, Robert Alter understands Hebrew better than you and me and I suggest that he has given the correct translation of the Hebrew of Exodus 3:14. His translation "I will be" is not new or unique as I have shown that it was Tyndale and the RV and RSV margins and AB Davidson...
  13. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings amigo de christo, I prefer Tyndale's translation and he translated Exodus 3:14 in the future tense, and I also like the interesting spelling of his time and the specific spelling “I wilbe”: Exodus 3:12-14 (Tyndale): 12 And he sayde: I wilbe with the. And this shalbe a token vnto the...
  14. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings again bdavidc, Yes, for example Robert Alter translates Exodus 3:14 as: Exodus 3:14 (Robert Alter): And God said to Moses, "Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh, I-Will-Be-Who-I-Will-Be." And He said , "Thus you shall say to the Israelites, 'Ehyeh has sent me to you.' " Kind regards Trevor
  15. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings again bdavidc, I am not sure what you are claiming here and what you represent by "Sola Scriptura". I consider it important to consider a number of different translations. My grandmother's favourite Bible was the RV/KJV Interlinear, and I read a portion of Scripture from this edition...
  16. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings again bdavidc, In my earlier post I mentioned that the margin of the Revised Version has "I will be" for Exodus 3:14, and one of the supporters of this rendition could have been AB Davidson as he was one of the Hebrew scholars engaged in the production of the RV. Please note that I do...
  17. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings bdavidc and keithr, I agree with the rendition "I will be what I will be". Jesus is not quoting Exodus 3:14, but is stating that he is the Christ "I am he", the same as in John 8:24,28. Most translations and commentators accept the present tense “I am that I am”, but notice in the...
  18. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings keithr, "I am he" makes perfect sense if the full context is considered including: The Pharisees understood what he meant but deliberately muddied the water in order to stir up the crowd, but they failed. Jesus maintained the theme that he had been advocating throughout John 8 that...
  19. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings JustMe, As a result of the events of Genesis 22, Abraham not only foresaw the Ministry of Jesus, but that he would be the perfect Lamb of the true Burnt Offering. Genesis 22:7–8 (KJV): 7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And...
  20. TrevorHL

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Greetings dmdar, I believe that John 8:58 should be translated as "I am he", the same as John 8:24 and John 8:28 and is part of the theme in John's Gospel of whether or not Jesus is the Christ. Kind regards Trevor