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Thanx for so eloquently outlining the fact that species evolve over billions of years. :gd And isn't if fortunate that the empathy that moves social animals to generally prefer cooperation over mass individual annihilation evolved over 75 million years ago - eventually resulting in primitive...

Why are you whining to me about proving some god? I have never demanded proof, and neither have millions of non-believers. Lumping all Atheists together has the same effect as me lumping all Christians in with the Westboro Baptist Church. All most of us ask for is reasonable evidence of the...

Nonsense. Science easily explains the existence and necessity of love relationships and why they exist via the evolved survival trait of empathy - which leads to the cooperation needed for social animals in groups to achieve the survival of their species. A wolf will risk sacrificing itself to...

This discussion serves to highlight the inferior morality of Christianity. You and I do good and avoid bad because of our evolved empathy. Christians do good due to the Bribe of Heaven, and avoid doing bad to avoid the Threat of Hell. They will say that's not true, but they can never provide...

Que the excuses for why this is not a problem for them. They are legion....

Well, it has to, doesn't it? To be true to its nature, anyway. This is the same god that was apparently so angry with Pharaohs heart softening - therefore risking the release of its people... and denying it the joy of slaughtering thousands of children - that it removed Pharaohs free will and...

Not interested in your fringe faith. My post speaks to mainstream Christians.

I don't need to post a photo of my daughter kissing me just to prove your ignorance of the fact of kissing. You should have enough integrity to simply admit that you made a poor choice by demanding anyone prove they have been kissed. It's made you look foolish. Let me know if you can locate...

Christianity - securing its control over its victims by the force of the 2 most powerful promises in history - the Bribe of Eternal Life, always tied to the Threat of Eternal Suffering. Well played, church fathers.... :clapping:

Wouldn't be cool if Christians could find any consistent agreement on what happens to us retched unbelievers? "You're going to gnash your teeth as you burn for eternity!" "No. You're going to gnash your teeth for some reason - then be thrown into the Lake of Fire to suffer for a while -...

I don't think I was persuaded. Accepting the reality of birth - life - death is just a rational perspective. And - not referring to you - I think if eternity means spending it with so many of the Christians I have engaged - not interested.

Well, as trillions of prayers regularly go unanswered - especially the ones to have a limb restored - I find prayer to be a process of more benefit to the pray-er, and not the pray-ee.

I'm not really interested in changing my diet or lifestyle at this time. I'm in remission for now, but if cancer takes me, so be it. Honestly never expected to live this long. Have already received more in life than I have earned. Death is not something I fear.

None of that seems to be supported by scripture. And a god that would itself harden Pharaohs heart (was this just because he didn't want to miss out on slaughtering thousands of children with the 10th plague?) - just as he was beginning to soften, possibly leading to the release of the Hebrews...

If you honestly believe you can't even prove someone has kissed you, or demonstrate evidence of a love relationship, then you are beyond the pale of rational discourse.

Thank goodness for that.

As I said, you're welcome to argue your fringe view with Christians who claim they are part of a religion. :handok:

That's what I thought.

Cool. Can you direct me the verses in the OT where this god says Judaism got virtually every one of the attributes of the Messiah wrong.

What's appealing to me is living in Truth. And it's hardly appealing to me to live in a society where the majority consider me to be evil, blind, and foolish. This allegedly 'Christian' nation has said it would vote for a Muslim for president before an Atheist. So - not very appealing. The...