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    The false doctrines of the Preterist and Futurist interpretation

    You answered them? I think we can call it a day.
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    The false doctrines of the Preterist and Futurist interpretation

    Unless you can answer these questions…. God has given us His prophecies in Daniel to read, study and interpret so we can understand His plan of salvation for all mankind. These verses are not easy to interpret. I can assure you there is absolutely no consensus among our scholars, academics...
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    The false doctrines of the Preterist and Futurist interpretation

    Well, it appears you definitely have an answer to some of the elements mentioned in the the book of Daniel. But to truly answer or understand Daniel you must be able to interpret these verses (and these are just a few of the important verses in Daniel that will require you to address. Would you...
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    The false doctrines of the Preterist and Futurist interpretation

    We agree the little horn is the papacy. But we don’t on the 10 horns. The 10 horns came up out of pagan Rome BEFORE the little horn surfaced. That is because the little horn came out of the church. Look at 7:11, this is when pagan Rome was slain and within 50 years, the little horn would sit...
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    The false doctrines of the Preterist and Futurist interpretation

    Thank you for your response. I do understand that almost everyone looks at these 10 as nations, kingdoms or powers that come at the end of time, but I would ask that you might consider them in a spiritual way. Daniel is all about the restoration of His people back to Jerusalem and the greater...
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    42 months of the beast is Kil'ayim

    For what it is worth - discussion of the time element of"time, times, ad 1/2 time" - Daniel and Revelation. Daniel 7: 25c–Then the saints shall be given into his hands until a time and times and half a time This chapter presents a thought-provoking interpretation—one that shifts the focus from...
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    The false doctrines of the Preterist and Futurist interpretation

    @Hobie Please see below the interpretation for 7:25 - regarding the "time, times, and 1/2 time." It ties in perfectly with the interpretation that the "Saints of the Most High" refer to God's 10 commandments. Verse 25c–Then the saints shall be given into his hands until a time and times and...
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    The false doctrines of the Preterist and Futurist interpretation

    Thanks for this post. I believe this interpretation might come from the writings of the SDA folks. They got most of it right but they believe the 10 horns or kings are literally secular one's and they also secularized the 3 being "plucked up by the roots" as the 3 groups you mentioned. They...
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    Babylon

    I understand. But just to give you a brief thought.... the 10 toes were captive, like the clay (Jews) within the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome when the Messiah arrived. After the cross, the 10 toes were symbolically released along with those Jews (pottery clay) who accepted Him as their Messiah...
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    Babylon

    Thanks for your response. I am not a SDA ... and I can assure you they nor others believe this or have even considered the 10 toes or 10 horns as the 10 commandments. I finished a 5 year study on Daniel and I had not read one commentator that considered the 10 horns as other than 10 kings...
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    Babylon

    It certainly was God's decision and choice where, when and how He would arrive to begin His ministry. But these verses are not speaking about or to a king of the secular world. God is speaking about His toes / horns / kings / Saints of the Most High - all referring to His 10 commandments as...
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    Babylon

    It isn’t about secular kingdoms. But God will use kingdoms, people, timing, within His plan of salvation. I apologize but I am having trouble understanding why the fact that His arrival took place during Rome or a certain Caesar was in a power.
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    Babylon

    :If you do not mind, earlier I responded with a narrative from my commetary on Daniel - verse 7:24a. Here is another narrative for verse 7:25b.....I hope it makes sense to you.... Verse 25b–Shall persecute the saints of the Most High Daniel 7:25 offers us a powerful glimpse into a great...
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    Babylon

    Yes, Jesus established His earthly kingdom at His first coming. Verse 2:44 is predicting His arrival in the 4th kingdom and tying everthing together in Daniel. He is showing the progression or transition of His 10 commandments as they come out of the Jewish nation, which was help captive within...
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    Babylon

    This is not about the Caesar's or the Roman emporers or secular kingdoms. Daniel is writing about the coming Messiah and those things that are related to both the restoration of His people back to Jerusalem, and a greater prophecy about the salvation and restoration of mankind. As I mentioned...
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    Babylon

    14Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel [f]of the kingdom of God, 15and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God [g]is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.” I am not sure why these two verses are influencing your interpretation of...
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    Babylon

    I don't believe so. God is revealing His kingdom will take place during the"days of these kings." He does not or is not concerned about the secualr kings of the world. They are not important in this prophecy. Remember, should you accept the interpretation of 2:34 (and I pray you do), the purpose...
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    Babylon

    "In the days of these kings." God is telling us that Jesus would set up His kingdom when He came to earth to begin His ministry, and of course, sacrifice His life for "many," These 10 toes (10 commandments) were given to Moses some 1500 years earlier. Meaning, they existed both before and...
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    Babylon

    For what it is worth.... The phrase in 2:44 does not represent 10 kingdoms, nations, kings, that will be found on / in the earth, as we expect to see them. In 2:44, " in the days of these kings," they refer to God 10 commandments. Intially, God will show His 10 as 10 toes which are symbolically...
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    The false doctrines of the Preterist and Futurist interpretation

    For what it is worth... Interpretation Sequence Daniel 7:23 23Thus he said: ‘The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, trample it and break it in pieces. After the fall of Pagan Rome—the first...