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    The kingdom under heaven

    I think you might remember that I had completed a 5 year study on Daniel last year and offered a commentary on the 12 chapters. Within chapter 7, there is much written about the 10 toes / horns / kings and their identity. Further, there is a discussion of the 3 horns that were "plucked up" by...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Revelation 12:1-17 encapsulates Satan’s relentless efforts to thwart God’s redemptive plan, adapting his focus as history unfolds. From Israel’s earliest days as a nation, symbolized earlier in the chapter by the "trimester growth," Satan concentrated his attacks on their obedience to God’s Word...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    The "stars of heaven" symbolize the fallen angels who were cast out of heaven alongside Satan after his rebellion. Their being "thrown to the earth" signifies their expulsion from their heavenly positions and their alignment with Satan's opposition to God and His purposes. Isaiah 14:12-14, in...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    I have not studied this but it does appear that Satan was cast down out of heaven in Revelation 12:7-12. It might appear he had access to heaven and the earth up to the time of the cross. When Jesus returned to heaven, he was cast down to earth and no longer had the ability to acuse anyone to...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Are there any other topics in Revelation you might want to discuss, or go back to?
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Thanks. After going through Revelation a few times, it became apparent God is not speaking about literal events but spiritual events and provides a strong symbolic picture for everything that relates to His plan of salvation. He is not speaking about human wars, human famine that the world has...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Revelation 6:5-6 (Third seal) 5 When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come and see.” So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Here is a part of the narrative prepared for the four horsemen... we can discuss again in the morning, thanks. Relationship of 7 churches with 4 horsemen The messages of the seven churches and the visions of the four horsemen in Revelation weave together into a grand and divinely ordered...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    I am not sure the answer will be found in chapter 1. I would ask that you consider when the 6 seals might take place and also consider the listing of the 12 tribes in chapter 7... Revelation is not going back to the time of Christ... the cross is the beginning of the church and that is where...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Ok and thanks... I think I understand your interpretation. I would ask that you might take a look at chapter 6:16- which discusses the 6th seal and the timing of it... also, in 7:1 when it continues with, " 1 After these things I saw four angels...." Revelation is very complicated - we are...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    I believe this is speaking to those who were literally resurrected as a result of the resurrection of Christ in the first century. Again, the book of Revelation begins with John and church age (really after the cross period and after the church has already begun to be preached in the world)...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Thanks. I am not sure I completely understand your thoughts but let me ask you a question. Is it your understanding that the 144000 will have their blindness removed AFTER Jesus returns? For me, there has been almost 2000 years (period of the 7 churches) for people to repent. Now that we are...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Just a thought... I believe the dead in Christ as well as those alive in Christ will be taken to be with Jesus when He returns. Both will be given an immortal body. However, after the millenium, those that are brought up from the grave are those that have rejected Jesus from all time. They will...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Have a good day… I will no longer be responding to your posts. Best wishes.
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Did you say there are living people on the earth during the time if the millennium that had not accepted Jesus? I believe those individuals where sent into the grave at His coming while those who accepted Him, that were alive or in the grave were resurrected to be with Him for those 1000 years...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    I see the removal of their blindness quite differently.. Here is my narrative on the 144K at the end of time - for what it is worth. Revelation 7:4-8 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousands of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    I would ask you read chapter 20 to answer that question.
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Thanks, but that is the purpose for mentioning this the way it was.... to isolate each step and then to be able to discuss each issue separately should they disagree,
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Ok and thanks... here is how I understand the end times.... at His return, Jesus will take those who are believers - those that have already died and those still alive with HIm. They will be with Him for 1000 years. However, also at His return, those alive who have not repented and rejected Him...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    ok and thanks.. what is telling you that?