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Or that teaches one before it. Why mention it then?? The Rapture is biblical actually as well as us being spared from wrath. But wait, do you so much as believe in the last seven years and tribulation? Ha No it is based on actual belief in Scripture. Rather than, say, waving away the...

I stated a solid bible position. But the discussion here is your fraud claim of proof against a rapture before the tribulation. You offer nothing yet. I do not find the Rapture worth arguing about, especially with unbelievers (in the tribulation, millennium etc), The claims you made of proof...

No. The prince that shall come in the end No, the end time events obviously have not happened No. There was no antichrist, false prophet, rule of satan for a short time, stars and sun going out, all waters on earth turned to poison, bottomless pit opened and demonic monsters come out to...

Actually there was not an abomination of desolation at that time. Nor did Jesus return 42 months later...etc etc etc It was determined by God that this time would be for the Jews to finish things. Some of the time that was given in separate pieces (49 weeks/etc) One of those pieces (seven...

I am not here to support the well known. You claimed proof there was no Rapture pre trib. You failed. Game over The last seven years is the wrath with the final greatest wrath at the end of it. So yes, pre wrath. All that must be produced here is you admitting you spoke falsely and admit you...

No. The final years before Jesus return are a separate slice of the pizza. There is no possibility that that last week could have been fulfilled yet anytime in history. None.

Your 'no rapture before the wrath is not in the book. Your weird questioning of the tribulation is not in the book. Sorry if I mistook you for a serious debater

The last week of seven years is mentioned. Sorry you can't wave the tribulation away if that is what you are trying to do?

You seem to think you have a point since you have been parroting this. Sorry to break it to you, you don't. The last seven years is spoken of in Daniel 9 and referred to elsewhere for example the last half of it starts when the abomination of desolation is seen, which triggers the Great...

It was not the Great Tribulation obviously. There was no image of the beast set up in the holy place for example. We all know we have not been raptured if we are still here. That is foolishness.

Yes, unlike THE Great Tribulation, which is UNLIKE any other time. Unique The end period is well documented in many ways using many phrases. The years and days are even given for the last half of the seven years. That is neither debatable nor an issue here. The issue here is your false claims...

Great, so they did a good job and were believers. That would mean they believed Scripture as well In your mind. It is not random severe trials that lead a bible believer to expect the end time. It is a specific set of signs that start to happen. If those folks you speak of knew the bible they...

No one invented that there was a time for Jesus to come as prophesy foretold. Obviously the people who saw that and lived it and after it, believing in Jesus are a different harvest than the folks thousands of years before or after He takes us all away. That does not mean we are less or more...

That doesn't fit when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed. esv When he comes on that day, he will receive glory from his holy people—praise from all who believe. And this includes you...

Why do you ask, if the Rapture is being glorified, so is being resurrected (old testament and tribulation saints) when Jesus returns. Did you think it was only one event where people get resurrected? (glorified)

The tribulation saints and old testament saints are raised when He returns. We are raised, as far as I can tell, before the wrath, not after it. You seem to conflate events.

Why do you say that? The people who distress His people will get dealt with when Jesus returns. Nothing to do with the Rapture

No. Not every one. I don't care too much what anyone says unless the bible says so too. The prophets told us plenty. Jesus as well. The writers He used for the new testament etc. So if you have some claim on the timing of the Rapture or something you will need to pony up

Who cares what they said? Was it mentioned? By who? If we are not appointed to wrath and the tribulation is part of His wrath, then how would we be there?

There are different times that believers live in. Those after Jesus get Raptured. Apparently the old testament believers and trib saints get raptured when Jesus returns. Not all believers from past and future are in that event Too bad the Rapture is for specific believers in a specific time...