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-- I gotta go with Aspen on this one. Many of the things God condemned in the O.T. were actually warnings about practicing specific things that other cultures who were enemies of the Jews were doing. And there were two main reasons he condemned them: 1. Health related issues/concerns, 2...

-- So, just to be sure here... On the day of Pentecost, a "symbol" came in as a rushing wind and caused the disciples to speak in tongues. That about right?

1. The Bible talks about many who are saved but then fall away. 2. There is no such a place as purgatory. 3. Joseph Stalin had at one time given his life to Christ and was in the Seminary. 60 Million dead later, I am thinking he likely lost his salvation.

-- LOL Kidron, you come to this board preaching, talking down, accusing, ridiculing, attacking........but never listening. If you had any clue of what has transpired between Aspen and be on this topic long before you ever posted your 73 little posts, you would see I have never defended Aspen...

Just curious Kidron.....was it difficult getting that plank out of your eye?

What you say is accurate. But you do get people to take your correction a little better if you don't deliver it in a belittling, condescending manner. A post lacking all possible civility is not going to get many people to take you seriously. If all he is concerned about is being right, then...

-- Rosey, you really need to relax. Eat some fruit or something. The people before you were having a reasonable discussion. Why not give it a try?

"The fact is, there are much worse things a homosexual can engage in than a monogamous same-sex relationship." - Aspen -- If no sin is worse than another in God's eyes, then no there aren't.

Episkopos obviously attends The First United Church of Buzz Kill. Love the date you are getting baptized Maureen. It was very early in the morning on 7/29/80 that I gave my life to Christ. .

Gosh, it's swell that you posted all those really neat scriptures....unfortunately, none of them void or refute what I said. 1 Peter 2:13-14 tells Christians to obey the laws. That doesn't void exercising their rights within the law. I know what happened to the Dixie Chicks. I find it...

-- The simple fact that there is nothing scriptural that says Christians should not exercize their rights as citizens. .

-- Christians are not required to sit on their hands when people are trying to pass laws that Christians find morally reprehensible. .

CNN reports this is the worst drought.....since roughly 1956. So this is the worst drought.....in roughly 56 years. That means this has been seen before. I don't think it is quite time yet to hit the panic button.

-- Well said. Also, Aspen's point that voting for laws won't create belief is accurate, but obfuscating. People who voted against gay marraige weren't voting that way to "cause belief." They were voting to keep something they feel is wrong from becoming law. "Causing belief" was not their...

I am not sure how to handle this. I have been witnessing to a friend of mine and he is a very sincere and intelligent guy. No pressure. Random conversations, mostly initiatiated by him. But he brought up something I could not answer for him offhand....... He said, "From what I understand...

-- And there are 500 experts able to show that you are wrong. Please get a clue.

-- Winnetau, is this a farewell tour or are you finally going to leave? You obviously aren't here to listen but to preach. How are we going to miss you if you don't go away?

As I said...

Winnetou, you have already been refuted. Big time. Why exactly do you still continue with this tripe?

......."but not good enough for me." I do not envy the humbling you are going to have to go through to get to where you should be. Good luck. .