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  1. TrevorHL

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Greetings again GodsGrace and Greetings Big Boy Johnson, No, the Apostles believed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. John 20:30-31 (KJV): 30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye...
  2. TrevorHL

    "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

    Greetings again Davy, There have been many useful expositions of the Book of Daniel that give a better understanding than your confused dialog. Yes I have received help, but I have also given much personal thought and study to Daniel 2, Daniel 7, Daniel 8, Daniel 11:40-45. Also in recent times...
  3. TrevorHL

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Greetings again GodsGrace and Greetings Big Boy Johnson, The term has now been altered and misused and through common usage been incorrectly defined as applying to a vast range of Catholics and Protestants, and according to this thread these are all Trinitarians. I endorse the definition given...
  4. TrevorHL

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Greetings again GodsGrace, 1. The Bible is God's Word - Agree 2. God is Three in One - Disagree 3. Jesus is Fully God - Disagree 4. We are saved by faith - Agree 5. There is life after death - Agree. Possibly I pass the test 3 out of 5. I also disagree with some aspects of his elaboration of...
  5. TrevorHL

    Wisdom and Jesus

    Greetings newnature, Yes, righteousness comes through Jesus, but "Wisdom" in Proverbs 8 is a personification, not a person. Kind regards Trevor
  6. TrevorHL

    "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

    Greetings again Davy and Greetings amigo de christo, I have now had time to read your other thread on the Antichrist, and now also your latest Post. I find your explanation a strange mixture of ideas. I will continue to hold on to my present view of Daniel 2, Daniel 7 including the 1260 years...
  7. TrevorHL

    "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

    Greetings again Davy, I have yet to unravel all that you are saying here, and I have not spent sufficient time on your other thread on the Antichrist. Some of the things you have stated above do not agree with my present understanding of Daniel 7, Daniel 8 and the Olivet prophecies, mainly...
  8. TrevorHL

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Greetings again GodsGrace, I consider that the influence of Paul and Barnabas over the period of the year mentioned and the response of the believers in Antioch resulted in a very strong revealing of the Christlike character. Acts 11:25-26 could well be indicating that it was those outside the...
  9. TrevorHL

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Greetings again GodsGrace, The following is a true definition of a "Christian". It is those who hold the same teachings and practices of the early Apostles. I suggest that Catholics and most Protestants do not fit this definition. For example, I consider that these believers did not believe the...
  10. TrevorHL

    "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

    Greetings again Davy, I consider that they did get most of it right and that this is the correct understanding of Daniel 7. You are most probably aware that this change of ideas was as a result of the work of two Jesuits to deflect attention away from the Papacy as the Antichrist. This has...
  11. TrevorHL

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Greetings again GodsGrace, I am not sure what you are saying here. Again, obscure. Because of the general misuse of the title "Christian", I usually do not use this method of talking to others. I objected to your position in this thread that a person must believe the Trinity to be a genuine...
  12. TrevorHL

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Greetings Big Boy Johnson, I am not sure of the definition "genuine". The Amish and the Mennonites are derived from Anabaptist backgrounds, but they seem to have moved away from some of the earlier teachings, but maintain baptism and pacifism or conscientious objection to serve in the military...
  13. TrevorHL

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Greetings ProDeo, Yes good advice. I suggest understand Daniel first, for example Daniel 2, 7 and 8 as a basis for a correct understanding of the Book of Revelation. Daniel 2 is a good introduction to the Continuous Historic understanding, which is also the basis of the Seals, Trumpets and...
  14. TrevorHL

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Greetings HealthyShape, The Catholic Church headed up by the Pope has been both political and religious, and persecuted any that did not conform with its teaching: Daniel 7:23–25 (KJV): 23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all...
  15. TrevorHL

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Greetings Randy Kluth, I suggest by your definition you are siding with the orthodox historical Church which persecuted the faithful for 1260 years Daniel 7. Kind regards Trevor
  16. TrevorHL

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Greetings again GodsGrace, I decided not to answer your view of Matthew 1:20-21 and Luke 1:34-35 because I consider that these simply and clearly teach that Jesus was a human, the Son of God by birth. I find the Trinitarian view of these verses both confusing and contradictory. I stand before...
  17. TrevorHL

    "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

    Greetings again Davy, Fair enough. I agree that there is only one true "ekklesia", those that have been called out of the world by the Gospel. I disagree with this popular view. I believe that 2 Thessalonians is speaking about the development of the Catholic Church and their opposition to...
  18. TrevorHL

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Greetings again GodsGrace, I am not interested in discussing an attempted Trinitarian explanation of Matthew 1:20-21 and Luke 1:34-35. Kind regards Trevor
  19. TrevorHL

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Greetings again GodsGrace, Grailhunter and mailmandan, I believe that Jesus came into existence by means of his conception and birth Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35. I disagree with your assessment and perspective. It misses the target as to the teaching and purpose of the OT. No. They believe...
  20. TrevorHL

    "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

    Greetings again Davy, In my region there are eight meetings in my fellowship, and I have selected the one where I feel more comfortable. It would be strange and unnecessary for me to start a small home church. Kind regards Trevor