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First time I seen this, posted a link which still works but it shows a singing harp!

https://www.timesofisrael.com/rapturously-received-in-the-knesset-trump-tells-israel-it-won-the-war-now-its-time-for-peace/?utm_source=article_hpsidebar&utm_medium=desktop_site&utm_campaign=liveblog-october-13-2025 US President Donald Trump declared “the historic dawn of the new Middle East” in...

Israel says HAMAS violating agreement, only turned over 4 bodies of hostages so far. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-13-2025/

https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1977695810683891754

Yes tribulation and fiery trials have afflicted the people of God from the very beginning after the fall. It was man's fault, none to blame but themselves. God did allow Satan to enter the garden, was he fallen then? So when do you think Satan fell? Here in the garden when he tempts Eve, or...

HAMAS will refuse to give up power over GAZA is my thinking. Trump says that will lead to a very bad thing for them.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/alaska-governor-says-help-is-on-the-way-as-floods-sweep-away-coastal-homes/ar-AA1OkEHg?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=8dde4e8c24104881f848e054ec849392&ei=18 The remains of Typhoon Halong brought destructive winds and devastating floods to communities...

The facts are what they are referring to several ECF believing that. It was pretty much favored for the first 450 years of church history.

https://chasingthegiants.com/church-fathers-genesis-6-nephilim/

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6382628374112

If this story is to be believed, robotics in China factories are assembling cars, engines, phones with little human oversite. And doing it so cheap, western companies say they cannot compete. An entire factory runs in the dark? And tech product innovation is out competing what western countries...

Do any of you consider Justin Martyr a respected ECF? https://chasingthegiants.com/justin-martyr-the-angels-that-transgressed/ In The Second Apology, Justin directly addresses the pagan myths of his day. He argues that the stories of gods mating with mortals—so common in Greco-Roman lore—were...

Problem I have is difficult subjects are automatically turned into allegory, symbolic, and figurative language. Such as the origins of the Nephilim, giants, demons, evil spirits garden of Eden, and the fallen angels who sinned. Angels eating food and entertaining people who considered them as...

I limit the ones locked up in Tartarus to the ones who committed sexual immorality and birthed the giants, who when they died their spirits became the demons and are also called evil spirits. It fits logically and makes sense to me. Not that all fallen angels are locked up in hell, because Satan...

Luke 8 A Demon-Possessed Man Healed 26 Then they sailed to the country of the [k]Gadarenes, which is opposite Galilee. 27 And when He stepped out on the land, there met Him a certain man from the city who had demons [l]for a long time. And he wore no clothes, nor did he live in a house but in...

2 Peter 2 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to [b]hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; It seems some here do not believe the above has really happened. It seems some here believe demons and evil spirits are fallen angels.

The angels who sinned are locked up in Tartarus, which is the lowest part of hell. Not humans, angels. Humans also go to hell. Hell is not monolithic, it has levels of punishments. Jesus talked of being beaten with few versus many stripes. But the punishments are not controlled by demons, that...

I believe God did lock them up in Tartarus, they are not free to roam the world. Do you then believe the garden of Eden, tree of life, tree of knowledge of good and evil, the fall into sin, the serpent speaking, the judgments of God pronounced on the serpent and Adam and Eve, the way of reentry...

Tertullian (/tərˈtʌliən/; Latin: Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus; c. 155 – c. 220 AD[1]) was a prolific early Christian author from Carthage in the Roman province of Africa.[2][3] He was the first Christian author to produce an extensive corpus of Latin Christian literature and was an...

An interesting discussion. I looked up what Church fathers said the Nephilim were of angelic origin Here you go, The Nephilim concept blends myth, theology, and cultural memory—often interpreted as a warning against boundary-crossing and divine-human transgression. Want to explore how this...