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Or you can keep those passages in their proper grammatic construct and realize they say nothing about free will or predestination but are simple facts. That means Jesus said that whoever does A then B follows. they say nothing about how one does A which is accept Christ. But according to...

I do not know why you think I believe one can lose their salvation. I am a fierce defender of biblical eternal security!

Well you said Scripture is the perfect so do you have perfect knowledge and perfect teaching and make no errors?

Well if you read Scripture you get these passages that tell you how the elect come to jesus. Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Chosen before the foundation of the world John...

Sorry a son stays a son, no matter what they do. You our confusing our position in Jesus (our reelationship) With our day to day experience (our felloship) We can break fellowship with our Father in heaven just like a child can with their parents, but no bad deed can affect our relationship...

YOu forget this passage- 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again...

Show me the verse that says all knowledge is now in Scripture.

Well take it up with God. You demand tongues to cease and in the same sentence Paul also said knowledge and Prophecy would fail and end.

But the passage was not written in English, but Koine Greek.

God is justified because He is just. We maybe thinking the same thing in differing ways.

I thought you were done?

Well I do, but many here still allow their pride to force them into a works mentality to try to get God to owe them.

But you forget, the prodigal was still a son. Jesus promised to never leave us! If we walk away- He won't leave us.

Now see what teh greek says about "though" it is a first case conditional.

I thought you were done. But though is a 1st case conditional and is better translated -"since" It gives an inidefiniteness because of the clause "and have not" Also in chptr 12 he gives rules for the use of tongues in the church. I didn't say teachers. but as you are such an acolyte of Paul...

Well it wasn't the Roman church! And nowhere in Scripture does it say the church is the pillar and foundation of the truth. The foundation is the apostles and prophets with jesus being the chief cornerstone which the entire building is fitly framed. That is where I got the truth from. Not a...

So you believe in losing your salvation, getting it back, losing it, getting it back, etc.etc. ad- nauseum. If no one can pluck us out of His hands, how can you pluck youself out of His hands. Are you not a person?

No it is has been since time began. I don't care if you don't care. god is justified in all He does. If you think it a medieval forgery- present your evidence. Otherwise your claim is just a vapid statement.

YOu need to read the verse! 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark...

Amen!