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  1. Naomi25

    The Verdict... Guilty.

    @brakelite ...look, I do not wish to argue with you. I have long admired our ability to disagree on doctrinal issues but still enjoy easy conversations. I respect you and find you have a good mind which challenges me. Perhaps we ought to let this current conversation fall and agree to disagree...
  2. Naomi25

    The Verdict... Guilty.

    I agree that we must resist acting upon such intents. But...how do you explain Matt 5, where Jesus explicitly teaches that to have anger for a person, or to lust for another, is the same as murder or to commit adultery? Thanks.
  3. Naomi25

    The Verdict... Guilty.

    I fail, spectacularly, to see your point. I've said before that Israel, not being able to follow the laws, was, in fact, saved by faith. So, this doesn't shock me. What does shock me is that for some reason you can see that OT Israel was meant to live by faith, but now Christ has come, you...
  4. Naomi25

    The Verdict... Guilty.

    Okay, some examples. Jesus knows everything: From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised. -Matthew 16:21 But he, knowing their thoughts, said to...
  5. Naomi25

    The Verdict... Guilty.

    I think, perhaps, there might be a slight misunderstanding in terms. Yes, the word 'righteousness' can be used in terms of our own actions and our living out a holy sort of life. But, righteousness is also the word used to stress the gift given to us from Christ. For example: For if Abraham...
  6. Naomi25

    The Verdict... Guilty.

    I qualify it because Jesus took my sins...he paid for them and set me free of them. But in the process he did not make me him. I am found "in" him, but I am not Jesus Christ. I am not the perfect, sinless Son of God. I enjoy all the 'legal' status of Christ, because of the propitiation, but I am...
  7. Naomi25

    Christian Denomination Differences

    I've never thought of it another way. Although I suppose how you think of it is sort of implied, really, isn't it? If...then...? But, regardless of when that 'vision' of a great multitude in heaven was seen, it had to be true, it still must be true and it always will be true. God always had a...
  8. Naomi25

    Purpose of the Millennium

    No...you gave your opinion. And considering you chopped up 1 Cor 15 and inserted 1000 years in there just to make your timeline fit, I'm feeling rather safe in saying scripture backs my position. Because one has to be rather blinkered to a certain position to NOT read 1 Cor 15 in the order it...
  9. Naomi25

    The Verdict... Guilty.

    Maybe not...but maybe. While I believe fully and completely that Christians who are wholely changed WANT to know live for Christ in a manner worthy of what they have recieved, there IS still that sticky debate over whether or not people are capable or not...and that is where our differences...
  10. Naomi25

    I wonder where this might lead...

    Well, this is true, I suppose, but it depends entirely on the point of view of the person using the phrase. If I said the 'absolute supreme' one, I would, of course, be referring to my God and Saviour. And we know there are many and varied wrong views and religions in the world. It could have...
  11. Naomi25

    Purpose of the Millennium

    I cannot see how it can be read this way. To me, you are forcing a gap in 1 Cor 15, so that you may insert a Millennium in there, rather than reading 1 Cor 15 naturally, from top, to bottom. When read through like this, we cannot divorce the return of Christ with the giving of our resurrection...
  12. Naomi25

    The Verdict... Guilty.

    Ahh...I truly don't wish to, but I fear I may get sucked into a major theological debate on this issue, where we perhaps...alright, clearly, disagree....I would start by putting up this quote I found the other day. "Genuine freedom liberates believers to do what is good. Those who use freedom as...
  13. Naomi25

    Purpose of the Millennium

    I think that's because Christ taught a lot about the Kingdom and it being now. In point of fact, I don't think the Kingdom will really end. When Christ 'hands it over to the Father', it's not so much about it ending, but, as Paul says, so that: "When all things are subjected to him, then the Son...
  14. Naomi25

    Purpose of the Millennium

    No, it does not "become his" at his return. Firstly, if we correctly read other scriptures, we understand Christ already rules (Eph 1:20; 1 Pet 3:22; Phil 2:9). It is not something that only begins when he returns. Secondly, this passage doesn't state, at all, that he 'hands it over' at the end...
  15. Naomi25

    I wonder where this might lead...

    Oh goodness, we see the fruits of their labor all around, don't we?
  16. Naomi25

    More Christian tattoo artists a positive development?

    Clearly this is a topic you are most passionate about, and it's awesome to have passions! But honestly, I'm not sure what else I can say on this subject! You have plumbed my depths!
  17. Naomi25

    Purpose of the Millennium

    I agree with you that there are two separate books, the book of life holds Christians, the other book holds the unsaved. However, surmizing that people in 'the great white throne judgment' are judged upon works' is faulty. We are told repeatedly in scripture that there is only one name under...
  18. Naomi25

    Purpose of the Millennium

    Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. -Revelation 20:14–15 Again, you seem to be making leaps and assumptions the text itself...
  19. Naomi25

    Purpose of the Millennium

    Thank you for taking the time to explain how you see these things. However, I must question your conclusion that 'evil' men won't experience the final, white throne judgement. And I question that based on scripture of this event. The bible gives us two passages that look at the final judgement...
  20. Naomi25

    I wonder where this might lead...

    Ah...I did suspect it, but thank you for confirming it. It's funny, isn't it; you tend to think "no...people wouldn't be so open to admit these things"...but they kind of do. Good PR and the ignorance of the masses tends to sweep it over, but its there. But...anyone can tell by just regarding...