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  1. keithr

    The Rapture vs. the Pre-tribulational Rapture

    It is totally illogical and fanciful to interpret 1 Thess. 4:17 in that way! What supporting evidence do you have to make you think that is the correct interpretation? What other verses use the words 'air' and 'clouds' in the same manner? The word 'air' only occurs 11 times in the whole...
  2. keithr

    The Rapture vs. the Pre-tribulational Rapture

    This is what 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (WEB) says: (16) For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God’s trumpet. The dead in Christ will rise first, (17) then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the...
  3. keithr

    1Peter 3:18

    He says nothing about his "flesh body" being made into a spirit - that's just your assumption. John 1:14 (KJV) says: (14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (or more precisely...
  4. keithr

    1Peter 3:18

    Precisely, so Jesus cannot have been resurrected with a human body again because he could not then inherit the kingdom of God (nor even go to heaven and sit at God's right hand). Only Christians have the opportunity of being resurrected as spirit beings, non-Christians will be resurrected as...
  5. keithr

    1Peter 3:18

    Well when I use logic and common sense I end up with a different conclusion. I guess your common sense is different to mine! :confused: Note that verse 46 says that first we have a natural body, but then afterwards (after our resurrection) we will have a spiritual body. But nowhere does Paul...
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    I don't see that in my browser (Firefox).
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    1Peter 3:18

    You cannot logically make that deduction from the Scriptures. Thomas saw and touched his flesh body after his resurrection (but that was just a similar looking body, not the same one)! The Scripture says: Psalms 16:10 (WEB): (10) For you will not leave my soul in Sheol, neither will you...
  8. keithr

    1Peter 3:18

    His body was not transformed from a dead physical flesh and bones body into a spiritual body, any more than our human bodies will be transformed into a spirit being body. Our bodies will disintegrate (dust to dust), and God will give us a completely new spirit body (which is not a physical...
  9. keithr

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    I see the simple text indentation feature is also no longer available. I liked to use that when quoting Scripture, to highlight it from the normal text.
  10. keithr

    1Peter 3:18

    I do believe Paul! What I wrote was in total agreement with what Paul wrote. The last (perfect man) Adam, i.e. Jesus, was made a life-giving spirit being at his resurrection. He is no longer a man. First he was a man, then he was made an immortal spirit being. Jesus sacrificed his human...
  11. keithr

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    When you hovered the cursor over a Bible reference in a post then it would pop up that verse, or verses, from the ASV Bible so that you could quickly and easily see what it says. It was a very useful feature that I, and I'm sure many others, used a lot.
  12. keithr

    1Peter 3:18

    2 Corinthians 5:16-17 (WEB): (16) Therefore we know no one after the flesh from now on. Even though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now we know him so no more. (17) Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away. Behold, all things have...
  13. keithr

    1Peter 3:18

    Transfigured? The only time Jesus was transfigured Jesus told his disciples that they had seen a vision (not reality) - Matthew 17:9 (KJV): (9) And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead...
  14. keithr

    1Peter 3:18

    That is not referring to the resurrection of the Church, the first resurrection. The following apply to partakers of the first resurrection: 2 Corinthians 5:17 (WEB): (17) Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away. Behold, all things have become...
  15. keithr

    1Peter 3:18

    But that was Jesus showing them the hands and feet of the human body that he temporarily formed to convince Thomas that he had indeed been resurrected to life again. He didn't show them his spiritual body. That human body disintegrated once he had finished with it; later he appeared to seven...
  16. keithr

    1Peter 3:18

    Where does it say that in the Bible? How can a spiritual body have the scars of a physical human body? As verse 31 says: (31) he foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that his soul wasn’t left in Hades, and his flesh didn’t see decay. It's saying that his soul wasn't...
  17. keithr

    1Peter 3:18

    Why did you miss out verse 26?: (26) After eight days again his disciples were inside, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, the doors being locked, and stood in the middle, and said, “Peace be to you.” Can a human being materialise out of thin air into the middle of a room? Can a human body...
  18. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    The NWT does not contain the word hell. It also does not say that Jesus is God. You should read it sometime. :rolleyes:
  19. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I've already quoted it in previous posts. If you can't remember it then you just have to hover the mouse cursor over the reference and it will pop up the verse from the ASV. It's not that difficult for you to read it. The NWT is almost identical to the ASV and other translations. It says...
  20. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    So do you think that God used a figure of speech in Daniel 12:2, in which case you are now accusing God of being a Jehovah's Witness and twisting His own words? :rolleyes: Or do you take God literally and believe that there have been people sleeping buried in the ground (dust of earth) for...