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Thanks. To attack a position, I train myself on the claims and bases of the claims. I say that God forgetting righteousness is the only way to make sense of the Biblical data, the only way to hold both that people can fall away, and yet no believer can lose salvation. When seeking to disprove...

Maybe some of you will enjoy this exchange. It is a discussion/debate of sorts on some Jewish objections to faith in Christ.

"Oddly OSAS" means I had thought that I was NOSAS based on all the doctrines teaching that believers could fall away--and that gave me trouble, prevented me from believing I was foreknown and predestined, couldn't be lost by Christ, etc--but, with recognizing God forgets righteousness (Ez...

It means I had thought that I was NOSAS based on all the doctrines teaching that believers could fall away--and that gave me trouble, prevented me from believing I was foreknown and predestined, couldn't be lost by Christ, etc--but, with recognizing God forgets righteousness (Ez 18:24), I...

He was thinking Judas had the Spirit, to try to use him as a case of how believers fall way today, and I was showing why that was not the case.

Could I ask you to read the thread? Many users ask me to clarify, and imagine if I kept having to clarify over and over instead of them reading my clarifications.

Are you asking me to clarify my view? If you are open to it, I do clarify my view as the thread goes on, in my interactions with other users; to avoid having to repeat myself, could I ask you to read the thread?

I don't think this addresses what I've said.

Yep. Yep. No, Jesus says the Spirit has been with the disciples, but will be in the disciples (Jn 14:17)--it is Jesus drawing the distinction, not me : Judas wasn't indwelt by the Spirit of Truth; rather, he was "a devil", and, as time went on, he was indwelt by satan (Jn 13:27). Where does...

Not just the OP, the thread.

I'd disagree, but I'd prefer you read the thread so I don't have to repeat myself.

Is it true thst those who are "of us" have the destiny to "remain with us"? John 7 39Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. John 6 70Jesus answered them, “Did I Myself not...

No disrespect--and i want to continue our discussion on a good note, bc it's helpful--but I just thought it was funny that you were trying to find common ground, but that being a child raised under a Muslim terrorist is not in the same world as living next to some Muslims... though i guess you...

I really love the idea that the same goodness I experience from the Spirit is what I can expect from and look for in the Scriptures. I had looked for the longest time for the threat in the terms and conditions because I was always inspired/motivated by threats with my Muslim terrorist step...

This discussion is good. While I was reading this, I remembered "faith hope and love remain", that God is all about love and hope. It gives some perspective. I grew up as a Muslim in part so this is completely different. It also helps explain and verify my experiences with God. Thank you.

I actually bought Greek and Hebrew language grammars, but hadn't had peace, so hadn't made use of them ("What good is it to study these languages, to get fancy, know extreme specifics, when i have perfectly fine translations that should get me to understand and have peace? What if i die without...

Did you keep in mind that the end would be "hope"? Other verses say hope is through proven character, so is the hope from something God will do or something we do or both?

Please clarify.

Right, this thread addresses the issue--and I'd argue you, as a NOSAS, should still affirm God foreknew and predestined you and will keep you.

Asking about the principle "if they were of us they would've remained". What does that mean to you? John 7 says the Spirit hadn't been given until Christ's glorification. Judas was selected specifically to betray Jesus. He was "the son of perdition", and "a devil", and was, unlike the other...