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Kayla, 'Israel' is metaphor for God's people. Israel nationally are a disaster; a genocidal power hungry people just like any of the World's systems and people.

I think it makes no difference

You have no idea what you are talking about. Your vision is insufficient

If Jesus is the one who decides then you have nothing of significance to say about the matter!

Evil punishes and will punish itself. Sin has in it the seeds of its own destruction. God saves from sin and its consequences.

Did you have a point, rvmb?

God has tender feeling for all the inhabitants of Earth. They are so tender in fact that the Majesty of Heaven visited for the purpose of revealing this. Make a 'religion' out of this and his sojourns purpose is missed.

Beholding we become changed. That's it! Everything else is short lived and a set up for discouragement.

Does the Old Testament teach a pagan religion that Jesus came to overthrow? I don't think so. Jesus came to set the record straight re God's character. Miss this, and one misses everything Jesus intended.....uncomplicated, 'un theological' and very contrary to man's kingdoms.

Saved, what is it & why the confusion as to how ? There is confusion because the understanding of the meaning of words has morphed. The straight forward text like, Romans 10:9 'If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will...

@Big Boy Johnson ....'Be careful when following the masses... sometimes the M is silent!' You are clearly unaware of the masses you are a follower of!

I guess you'll be the gate keeper, determining who is in and who is out!

Your own language indicts you, BBJ

It is clear you are unable to think outside those two categories, BBJ

As I said, HELL is your favourite subject!

God is not a Trader. He has no need to and no desire to. It is humans who have overlayed 'Trading' onto him. We have done it because we are Traders. We are tight fisted and think generosity consists of 'deals'. We have made God in our image. God is generous, withholding nothing. He limits...

so you turn God into a trader, not the giver of free gifts......even while you speak with a forked tongue!

......here you go with your favourite subject, HELL I guess one just can't help talk about but what's in ones heart!

do you mean, like a father saying to his child I will have to stop loving you if you continue to disobey me?

Using God's 'name' in vain is none other the misrepresenting his character.