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"...In some parts of the world, particularly in the West, today’s culture tends to exclude God, and to consider faith a purely private issue with no relevance for the life of society. Even though the set of values underpinning society comes from the Gospel – values like the sense of the dignity...

What you don't understand is that Paul and John are foundations of the Church, and not apart from her. Any individual believer is not an Apostle. People who start up their own church on the basis of their opinions are not commissioned directly by God to do so. A preacher can have all the gifts...

This verse doesn't prove what you want it to prove. Moses is not equal with the seventy. He is Moses. Here is a diagram: God > Moses > seventy. That's a hierarchy. An aristocracy. Numbers11:23-30 This does not prove anything either. 2 of the seventy are prophesying in the camp and not in...

The Church is a hierarchy; none of your verses prove otherwise. The three-fold Episcopate, bishop/priest/deacon is in the Bible. Your system doesn't even come close. You have don't even have bishops, but you think you possess greater authority. You don't. I don't. Jesus Wants Us to Obey...

Paul is not teaching apart from or independently from the Church, mainly because it was/is the same message, and Paul checked it out with the Apostles when he visited them in Jerusalem to make sure his gospel lined up with theirs. Remember he did not start his ministry until he went to Ananias...

Rex, the only way to be a teacher in the Catholic Church (and the Bible) is to be ordained by a higher authority. Priests are ordained by bishops, and bishops are ordained by numerous bishops. Always a higher authority. In your church, if you even have one, the minister (the higher authority) is...

Do you have scriptural support for the privatization of Christianity?

The Kingdom is not a democracy, which makes fundamentalists suspicious of anything that isn't, especially an aristocracy. The Father> Jesus>Apostles>bishops>priests>deacons is an aristocracy. You system is closer to communism than it is the model given to us in the Bible. If you were called...

Is that a summary of the evangelical/non-Catholic/Protestant/born-again/non-denominational rebellious egalitarian position? Isa. 22: 19-25 Isa. 22: 19 Shebna is described as having an "office" and a "station." An office, in order for it to be an office, has successors. In order for an...

Paul is an Apostle, not just any individual. He was chosen directly by God. Do you claim to be called directly by God? There is no verse that awards this distinction to any individual believer. Egalitarianism is not of God. Just look at the damage it has done to humanity in the past 200 years.

Then you should have no problem finding a verse where the Holy Spirit teaches individuals apart from the Church.

You personally know the large portion of Catholics? What is wrong with football? Are you jealous that we can enjoy life and not be so anal retentive? Most Catholics don't own a Bible? Yer kidding me, right? Where did you get that info? From a poll by the New York Times? Why would a Catholic...

Notice that Axehead can't or won't identify who this "church" is in Matt. 18:17-18 , says "It is only by the indwelling of the Spirit of Christ, that Peter was given the authority of Christ Himself (Matthew 28:18). " And then contradicts himself by saying Jesus was never conferring upon Peter...

Matt. 18:17-18 - 17 If he refuses to listen to them, qtell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, rlet him be to you as sa Gentile and sa tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, twhatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall...

In 1998, more that 88,000 Protestants were received into the Catholic Church. Since 1993, 300 Protestant pastors have contacted The Coming Home Network, http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0252.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJF8w04iX2I&feature=related The Top 10...

What's the thread title again? Oh yea, The Church is Not the Source of Truth. Hmm... seems I've agreed with this at least twice. It seems that whenever an informative, thorough and well written post by a Catholic that cannot be refuted appears, or requires a reading level above elementary...

You can obfuscate and bellyache about Javnia all day. During the first century, the Jews disagreed as to what constituted the canon of Scripture. In fact, there were a large number of different canons in use, including the growing canon used by Christians. In order to combat the spreading...

It's not the Magisterium, it's the work of John Salza, author of the web site, who is a reliable apologist. You, Axehead, and Nomad and most of Protestantism have bought the myth that there is no connection with the New Testament and the Deuterocanonicals (the proper term). What has been...

Rex, You have a habit of jumping into the bottom of a thread without scrolling back to get the gist of the discussion. See post #43. The first 2 lines are completely unjustified. He then goes into a tirade that completely ignores "Follows, same as, converse of, references, taken from, reminds...

Nobody is claiming the Church to be the source of truth. Axehead is screaming over a straw man. "But [it has, on the other hand, been shown], that the preaching of the Church is everywhere consistent, and continues in an even course, and receives testimony from the prophets, the apostles, and...