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I agree with this verse. I do not agree that this verse applies to governments or police forces. As I have already shown, Paul points to government as wielding the sword and Jesus nor John the Baptist ever commanded a soldier to give up their occupation. I do not believe the Bible contradicts...

Johnlove, I encourage you to go back and read my comments to you. I used multiple Scriptures. Most of what I am disagreeing with you about is your assertions that are NOT in Scripture. How can I prove with a proof-text that pacifism is not the Gospel Paul preached when the Bible never...

Certainly. But I will not agree that accepting the narratives of the OT about the conquest of the land or other issues will lead believers to justify genocide. It seemed to me that this is what you were proposing. No, I am defending the idea that when the Bible says that God declared...

What else does this mean? Sounds to me like you are saying that God is bringing great suffering on the world and that you have a special ministry to give "a word" that would form a particular community that would be safe from this suffering. Am I missing something here? God's wrath ->...

Johnlove, Your talk sounds exactly like that of Joseph Smith and other cult leaders. So, Jesus would come only to you and give you a special word by which YOU would create your own community that would shelter the select few (those who follow you, of course) that are the chosen ones. You have...

Personally, I do not believe Christians are judged by OT Law. I could also quote a lot of OT passages about not eating shellfish or the need for animal sacrifice. How do you guys decide which laws Christians are bound by? I don't know, but this conversation seems laden with judgment and...

Thanks for your reply Aspen, Aspen, a law is a system of rules that regulate ones actions, often due to penalties or a phenomenon that always occurs if particular conditions are present. I do not think God is bound by external rules or forced to any particular action by outside circumstances...

Classic, Death is a theologically thick term. Just like "light" and "darkness" in John's Gospel are rich with meaning, so "death" and "life" are rich with meaning Genesis. Jesus said, "He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive." Life comes from God and...

River, I would say that you are basically suggesting something that was proposed by the heretic Marcion early in church history. Essentially he taught that the OT was morally inferior to the NT and therefore much of it should be abandoned. His views were completely rejected by early...

Johnlove, I have pointed out numerous Scriptures to you. I cannot help it if you do not want to respond to them or ignore them. I cited about 6 verses that show that God demands justice and sees it as evil to ignore providing justice for the oppressed. How do you suppose we provide justice...

No Bible has the book of "Revelations." :) And no, that is not what my point was regarding the canon. No, that is not accurate. That was a specific situation that was brought about by a direct revelatory command from God. It is not an underlying principle in Scripture that approves genocide...

First, I can only be obedient and base my beliefs on what the Word says, not your experiences. The Mormons also want me to believe in Joseph Smith's personal encounters with Jesus and how he gave him the answer to all the divisive topics of his day. A great many people have been led astray by...

I have looked through Christian history. The 66 books of the Protestant Bible were the books officially canonized since around the 4th century (but accepted long before that). The Apocrypha was embraced as inspired texts after the Protestant Reformation during the Council of Trent (1545)...

Haha, we would make a dynamic, problem-solving duo I am sure! :) My comment about "what most Christians believe" was in reference to a closed canon. Yes. I think it is safe to say most Christians believe this...as the Scriptures as we know them have been pretty much the same throughout...

Johnlove, I have yet to delete someone's comment or suspend an account for someone who disagreed with me (even when those disagreements have been heretical). So I would appreciate the courtesy of seeing my comment only as a means of helping to make this topic something engaging for more...

Johnlove, If you want to have a meaningful conversation, then I encourage you to converse. I could quote 8 verses to you to respond to all the things you are implying, but it would be of no use. Spamming verses is ridiculous. You are ignoring both the literary and historical contexts in your...

River, A couple of thoughts on your concerns. First, most Christians believe in a closed canon. The Gospel has been fully revealed to mankind. Jesus was the complete Word of God spoken to us and all we need for life and godliness is contained in the Scriptures. Thus, we are not like the...

Johnlove, FIrst of all, pacifism is not the Gospel. Thus, your blanket condemnation of the church over such an issue is misguided. I do not read anywhere that Paul's gospel was: That Christ died, was buried and was raised....and therefore we should all be pacifists. I appreciate the desire...

I don't have time to read through all of the conversation. However, from what I have seen, it seems this question is framing the discussion in the wrong direction. God's law was not for God but for his creatures. Is God "bound" by his Law? No, God is bound by no law. He is God. God is...

I don't really have time to read through all the arguments so let me just respond by addressing some of your points as well as making some of my own. Why I disagree with you: 1. Death is often referred to as separation from God. In fact, death is often referred to in the Old in New Testaments...