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Then explain your views to me: Who do you believe created the evil Bob, who can do nothing but evil? Who is responsible for Bob being evil? It is not Bob- he has no will (running with Calvinism logic here). It is not Adam- he is/was not a creator of life. It was not any other human- they...

Asking who created Bob is the same thing as asking who created Bob's life. From where i'm standing it seems that Calvinism teaches that: God creates Bob so Bob can literally do nothing but wickedness, Bob does lots of wickedness, and then God send Bob to Hell for being wicked. For there to be...

So Bob's parents are creator's of life? Or is God the creator? (I'm looking for the ultimate creator here). Who is the ultimate creator of Bob the evil serial killer?

*bump for @Anthony D'Arienzo * Ok, can you answer my question then?

I totally agree GG I was more asking for sake of discussion.

I specifically asked about the damned people and you answered with Gen 1:31. Again, I'm talking specifically about damned people. Here, let's run with an example: in the year 1963 "Bob" the serial killer was born and spent his entire life loving sin and doing all sorts of evil things. Of...

Ok, so you believe that God created the world & fruit, all the dammed people in there, all the evils things they do.... and called it good? If God creates a man without the ability to be anything but evil, then God created evil and is responsible for everything that evil person does.

The *how* here is very important though. Did it happen XYZ because God forced it to be that way? Or did a mortal act (of their own choosing) to make XYZ happen?

Anthony, who do you believe created the damned?

Aka: everyone who is damned in Calvinism is because God will it to be so. Hence once again, my lack of understanding of why the prosystlizing from Calvinists.

But in Calvinism nobody can stumble, because nobody has free will to stumble. Everything is designed completely by God- every one who doesn't belie is because God forced them to be that way.

I've never understood Calvinists proselytizing. If you truly believe that men has no free will, and the only way a person comes to believe in it is God forcing in onto a person (and by extension, every who doesn't believe is because that's what God wishes it to be).... than why are you...

That's not remotely what I said nor meant, but you can think whatever. I don't care.

Mary, I do respect theCatholic Church. But your missionary efforts really taint the otherwise positive experiences I've had.

Howdy!

Anthony, you said you read my posts and yet you still resort to "anti-cult" drivel as if it were gospel, and attacking so many different views "armed" with that bad information. At this point, everything points to you not being interested in factualness and instead just wanting to go on with...

*rolls eyes* You have no idea what I believe, nor do you care about factfullnes or truth.

And you have zero idea what I believe, nor do you care to. And I really don't care what you do.

I find the best way to balance dirty pigs playing in the mud is not to join them in the mud, but to be a cleanly person on a higher path.

You don't know if I bake, or play piano, or an a good artist, and you have not the slightest clue what I believe. Nor interest in any of those things. Oh well, I'm not going to loose sleep over your choices. I'm off to celebrate in Christ and bake and play with my family. No piano though.