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  1. Earburner

    If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?

    The number 144,000 is symbolic of completion. God who is love, worked with the free wills of men in Israel, helping them to "reason with Him", so that they would repent towards Him. If no more came to repentance in a tribe, then that would be the number of completion that came to Him from that...
  2. Earburner

    If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?

    The number 144,000 is symbolic. Are you thinking that God had a cut off point of 12,000, just because it's a nice even number? And therefore, out each tribe of Israel, God limited how many of the faithful of Israel were allowed in, so that it would be exactly equal to144,000? Of course it...
  3. Earburner

    If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?

    I Agree 100%, Amen!! However, ALL of Israel who were of faith, PRIOR to Jesus' resurrection and Ascension, of His coming as the Promised One, have been saved/sealed also by God's Holy Spirit, on the Day of Pentecost, until the Day of Redemption. Revelation 6:9-11 and Revelation 7:4-8. Edit...
  4. Earburner

    If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?

    "There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner. And that certainly applies to who the 144,000 were, and in what age of dispensation they had lived in. They were all of Israel, who had died in faith, beginning with Abraham upto Jesus' resurrection...
  5. Earburner

    If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?

    Yes, it's clear to me that the symbolic 144,000 are of Israel and no one else. Hence my reference of Malachi 3:16 and Revelation 6:9-11. Edit: the 144,000 are of Israel who had died BEFORE Jesus' first appearance in the flesh.
  6. Earburner

    If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?

    How can you say that, when I gave the scriptures revealing that He HAS COME?? You simply didn't digest what KJV John 14:18 and 23 says: .[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will COME to you. [23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will...
  7. Earburner

    If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?

    It indeed is relevant, so that you may see and understand that ever since Jesus' Ascension into Heaven, and the giving of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, God the Father through His Son, HAS BEEN COMING to each and everyone of us (John 14:18) on a personal level (John 14:23, Revelation 3:20)...
  8. Earburner

    If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?

    ln your belief system, are you understanding the comparative association between KJV Malachi 3:16 and Revelation 6:9-11? If you do, then you should agree that none of them were bodily resurrected, but were given the Gift of Christ's Spirit, and then were told that they were to rest until their...
  9. Earburner

    If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?

    I can understand why and how you have come to believe that 70 AD. was the time when Jesus and the holy angels were revealed from heaven, the saints were glorified, the disobedient Jews were destroyed, and the day in which all of that took place. The Apostles did believe that His return could...
  10. Earburner

    If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?

    Please compare all the scriptures below with KJV Luke 17:29-30, and you will find that when the Lord Jesus is REVEALED from Heaven, salvation and destruction will be a simultaneous event. Now, from what I understand, it is an undeniable fact that when Lot did leave Sodom in the same day of his...
  11. Earburner

    If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?

    Matt, please tell us when 2 Thes. 1:7-10 took place, and your account of HOW it actually did: [7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, [8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not...
  12. Earburner

    If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?

    Are you implying that the Grace of God, through the sacrificial death of Christ and the shedding of His blood for our sins, is a "big blanket" that covers everyone? YES, INDEED IT US! BUT.... That is only half the story. Now that ALL are forgiven, WE all need to repent towards God through Jesus...
  13. Earburner

    If Jesus was the One who took away sins from the world?

    Basically, you just agreed with what "PTA" wrote in the previous post. Yes, Jesus is the Lamb of God, that taketh away the sin of the world, who "tasted death for every single person". Therefore, if we don't accept/receive His free judgment over death, by His Gift of Grace through Jesus, and...
  14. Earburner

    Does God give us faith, or do we give God faith?

    Which is saying: "Yeah, I believe in Jesus", but never being repentant towards God, or follow Jesus in the SPIRITUAL likeness of His resurrection, aka being baptized by water and being born again by/of His Spirit. Romans 8:8-9.
  15. Earburner

    What if the Outside of the Kingdom?

    You asked: "what is KoG", and not what is the KoG.
  16. Earburner

    What if the Outside of the Kingdom?

    To be IN the KoG, is for Jesus to be IN you. To be IN Jesus, is to be IN the KoG. To be IN the KoG, is to be IN Jesus and he IN you.
  17. Earburner

    Does God give us faith, or do we give God faith?

    No, you are not getting it. For us to believe in His Son, is the complete work of God that we should do.
  18. Earburner

    OSAS is now teaching faith with works, and not faith alone.

    So then, all who are Born again are not condemned, but should they fall into sin, and frequentlly, they are condemned again. By that way of thinking, you are saying that all must be sin-free, in order to keep oneself in the KoG. Therefore, it is paramount that a person be a "sin-tracker" with...
  19. Earburner

    Does God give us faith, or do we give God faith?

    Well of course I shall address it. James was speaking to the 12 tribes of Israel, who literally and fervently believed in the One God. As a result, James was pointing to that which was the works of God that Israel are called to do. And that work, is to believe on Him, whom their One God sent as...
  20. Earburner

    Does God give us faith, or do we give God faith?

    Being repentant towards God the Father, we all must have faith to believe that Jesus is the only Savior, for the forgiveness of sin. Now that we have been forgiven, we must ASK for the Gift of His Holy Spirit, of whom is Jesus, bringing God the Father, who is within Him (Luke 11:13, John 16:13...