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Long as we know who we are talking about, I suppose we could call them jelly beans, or tomatoes, or the X group etc. People should not get offended if we do not use technical terms, or politically correct words.

On the contrary, it is not my problem at all. I know He died for us. That was not for nothing. For those choosing to interpret His word as if He pre fixed everything so that people cannot choose God or Satan, life or death, they make the cross to no effect.

Right, when people reject Him, they get into a horrible state. God hates that. I hate that also.

I see. Well, I guess I used the term Jew loosely. The point was that the 144,000 from the various tribes were people that are commonly called Jews today, descendants of Abraham etc.

He moves on everyone. He loved the world. So that anyone who receives Him will be saved.

Yes. The prophesy told of their lives later in life. It was after Esau made his choice that he placed himself against God. It was after Jacob chose God that he was loved. Just as the prophesy was for a later time, so was the reaction of God to them for the later time. God did not hate Esau in...

It is a little hard to follow your broken sentences. But I think you acknowledge that the 144,000 Jews are still to come in the future.

Yes I made the choice to accept His free gift of eternal life. He gave me every opportunity and arranged the world so that I had every chance to hear the truth and be able to accept it. The choice was mine. I was not born special so that I never needed to make the decision. No one was.

Not true. I simply do not do violence to the meaning in order to justify some pet belief as some do. If you understood that Jesus did not die for nothing we would not have an issue.

How would you know?

Not if you understand what you read. You pretty much don't. Nope, same deal. Every one believing in Him or whosoever believeth etc. All the same. No pre destiny at all there. The only pre destiny is the plan of salvation or the Way that He made for us to be able to be saved. That was pre...

Actually God died for the world He loved so whoever wanted could be saved because of the price He paid. It does not say that 'God so loved the elect, that He gave His Son..' Once people elect to accept Jesus they are the elect. That is His selection process. His apostles were chosen by Him...

OK

This is talking about the end time. I do not see them here now.

OK, I agree they (the remnant that believe) will get all the land promised to them..

Except, yes it is. The us means us who believe and have chosen Him. He did not die for nothing, sorry.

Chapter and verse? Great so that has nothing much to do with the nation of Israel today.

Aw shucks, tks.

Wow. You believe that? Prove it. When I check stats it is a tiny percentage in Israel that believe in their Messiah. ? Lost? Chapter and verse? Apparently God knows where they are since He chooses 12,000 from each tribe in the end. Let's get this straight. You invoke lost tribes that somehow...

So who are the 'us' here? They are those who choose Jesus! In other words He chose to redeem those who would come to Him. That would be us. That does not mean He individually choose people to have to get saved or not. Who then is the 'all' that the Father gives to Jesus? The ones that chose to...