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All mankind eh. Good luck with that.

So no true Scotsman fallacy. OK.

As it will be one day. I think that meanwhile, before all nations get dealt with, possibly some nations may get made an example of. In the example of China and the US going to war, if that were allowed by God, maybe things would not be as total as we think. If they couldn't really use all their...

Right, that was just an example of extreme judgment that would be even worse than the current pandemic. When I see Canada and the US offending children with demonic sexual procedures and propaganda, and now getting ready to jab the little children it does seem that what must come must come quickly.

Right, me too. Still, I do hope to be taken up (or die and be taken up) before the imminent judgment stuff hits the fan

Right. I hope that coincides with the Rapture as the world would get very hellish fast. For example if God allowed China and the US to have a major war.

In the case of Sodom, that would be God.

Don't forget the 'and committed abomination' bit.

With all the news of pastors being arrested and jailed and fined and churches closed and etc the question arises-should all churches sell whatever they can and close up shop and go underground?

I have said many times that God knew they would be there. That does not mean all of them! It means there will be a nation called Israel in that place. He even told them to gather themselves. The thread is about claims some make that GOD gathered them already. It has not started to be gathered...

Lots of things happen with close votes, get in line! God does not play dice. When He protects the remnant we will no longer see any enemies alive! We are? In what verse is it that it says that and that you think we are talking about? How about the battles of Israel in ancient times, before...

No. I see no 'scattering' in those chapters. No one needs to prove anything about a historical text. If you want to claim this chapter is some extreme exception in the bible, that does not have any of the usual indicator phrases showing it is talking about the last days, then you better have...

I agree. Then He gathers them from all over and restores them to the land. That is why I do not see 1948 as a time when God restored them and brought them back.

No we do not replace the remnant of Israel, the ones who get saved. Those are saved Jews that will comprise what is Israel. I do not think modern, current Israel will see Him or mourn. Only the ones left alive who see Him and realize how wrong they have been and get saved will mourn and be...

They were chosen but rejected Him. Those who choose Him in the end are going to be the chosen people upon whom all the promises are written for!

Just because God knows the future does not make it coincidence. He knew they would gather in a nation in the end. When they finally get saved in the end, then as many of the chosen people that choose Jesus will be saved. That will be the chosen people and nation and Israel. There will be no...

Close votes are not something unique. Hatred between peoples is not all that rare either. There may have been some supernatural influences. That does not have to mean good ones. Or there may have been other factors we do not know about. Such as strategy. "Egyptian forces were caught by...

If you claim some nation, whether Vietnam, or France or Israel was somehow miraculously and specially gathered to some place by God in accordance with prophesy in the bible, then you must post the Scriptures. Posting the same historical passages as if they must specially apply to the modern age...

Yes and He also raised up Babylon, and Rome etc for judging Israel. That does not mean He comforted those nations and that they were not wicked also. It just means that God sort of recycles or disposes of the crap as needed! If they will not obey, He will utterly pluck up and destroy that...

That is what I thought also.