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I appreciate what you are saying here, and indeed proud and sinful men may (and do) sometimes abuse their authority... but as to freedom of conscience what do you think it means that our Lord will 'rule them with an iron rod' ? Further, If a Christian king has a duty to protect his people does...

No presumption, what the Church is, is clearly spelled out in scripture... but this reminds me of an old orthodox saying (im sorry I forget by who) ' One can say with certainty where the Church IS, but not, where it is not' And on this we also agree! may the Lord, the God of Hosts...

This is a profound question! And at the heart of what we are discussing here... we have the example of Saul, whom God tells directly 'why are you persecuting me?' , and where does HE send him? to the Church in Antioch to be baptised, where the scales fall from his eyes.. and we have the...

Love Andy Griffith... I can remember when i was young and tv and movies were full of good christian values, fun and good times... How far weve fallen as a society... Makes me weep

Indeed , discerment of ones calling is necessary... As any seminary would agree

All the more reason for the Church to train and test those men who feel called to serve Christ and His church in this role...

Again, can the foot say to the hand 'i dont need you'? And if we think we are led by the Holy Spirit, shall we ignore what the Holy Spirit has taught our brothers and sisters who have gone before us? Does the Holy Spirit lead one man into some truth and another into a contradictory one? No...

Intetesting... You love Catholics but youre proud of your son for stomping on their most sacred beliefs... Have you considered that if what we teach and believe about the Eucharist is true... What then was he doing? May God forgive him

Since you mentioned it... Heres the 'rcc rule' that applies.. Who can Baptize? 1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon. In case of necessity, any person, even someone not baptized, can baptize, if he has the required...

Wow, thats a nice tirade.... So you think the Church and state should never be one?

Actually you did. At the Council of Nicea

While i would agree with you that 'universal salvation' is not an option, I believe that the default setting, which was death, has now been changed to life, and that only those who knowingly and willfully choose death will perish Peace!

APAK, You have self professed here as a heretic. Yours is the kind of 'teaching' that the apostles and bishops and councils condemned... That the RCC supplanted the early Church is clearly bogus as the apostolic churches in Alexandria and Constantinople teach essentially the same things.. No...

Jesus said to those with valid authority (the priests and the pharisees) : Therefore, I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people that will produce its fruit. the answer to what is to be ruled, is thus, the vineyard, the kingdom of God, here on earth. who...

Ah but HE has three witnesses... The Spirit, and the Water and the Blood! Peace!

Amedeus, I will respond to your questions tomorrow, they are good questions and need a legthier response than i can type out on my phone lol... So in the meantime, heres a little humour for the AT thread: Peace! PJ P.s. love Mozart!

Sacrificed with Him now, raised to Glory at our ressurection

Hi Scott, I am encouaged that we agree that this passage is about becoming one flesh with Him, as in marriage. I am still not clear, however, if you mean we are truly united with HIs Spirit and HIS flesh... In which case we would be in agreement.. Again, can you clarify?

Beloved, we are God's children now; what we shall be has not yet been revealed. We do know that when it is revealed we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. Alelluia! Alleluia! Come, Lord Jesus!

Psalm 7 http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PFZ.HTM