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  1. dad

    Nation born in a day in 1948?

    False. Most of Israel is anything but in Christ now. All believers are grafted into salvation and the life of Jesus. That does not mean there was no Israel as a people also and that there will not again be fellow believers who are Israel, that have promises to them about Jerusalem and that area...
  2. dad

    Nation born in a day in 1948?

    Not really. We can tell that they still have enemies now. They are soon prophesied to be invaded. They have not repented yet. So we can tell that God has not returned them yet.
  3. dad

    Nation born in a day in 1948?

    Not sure what relevance the return of some Jews 4000 years after Abraham or whatever has? That is not four generations. You seem to try to spiritualize the land of Israel. Yes they will be in Christ when they are returned to the land, but that does not mean there is no land.
  4. dad

    Nation born in a day in 1948?

    OK, that is a clear vote. Yet Paul says Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: There are many places in the Old Testament where God names Israel as well, such as Joel 3:2 I will...
  5. dad

    Nation born in a day in 1948?

    Well, we could say that God wants Canada to be a nation and push for unnatural antichrist baby killing policies I suppose. We could say He wanted Hitler to invade other countries etc. The issue is prophesy here. The prophesies about when God brings them back after they repent and after He...
  6. dad

    Nation born in a day in 1948?

    I do not think anything like that. The issue here is whether God already brought the Jewish people back to the land or whether they went there of their own accord and prophesy just acknowledges that.
  7. dad

    Nation born in a day in 1948?

    Says who? They are getting on planes and travelling, yes. Why blame God? When He brings the remnant back, their enemies will be finished. History. Gone. Wiped out. They will also be in real peace..etc. That is not today, period. That is something that God has done more than once. You cannot...
  8. dad

    Dispensational problems

    False accusation, of course He will create a new heavens and earth. That is not when Jesus returns obviously. Revelation borrows from that chapter. It clarifies it also. New heavens are slated, yes. After the thousand years. You do not get to pick out little words pr phrases from verses out of...
  9. dad

    Dispensational problems

    He has no respect of persons that is true. He is also Faithful and keeps His promises. When we die, we go to be with Him, not to the land of Israel! That land is not promised to us specifically and it is promised to the Jews. All are saved by Jesus, that is our covenant and also applies to...
  10. dad

    Dispensational problems

    He does have promises to them.
  11. dad

    Dispensational problems

    Let's look at that. While I have no problem thinking that this applies to heaven as well, are you saying that there is sex in heaven? How else would there be children? ( I have not expressed an opinion either way here, but am looking at the natural implications of your claims) Then we have Isa...
  12. dad

    Dispensational problems

    They all do.
  13. dad

    Dispensational problems

    No. They were not brought to the land and their enemies were not all destroyed, and they are not in peace, etc. The promise of eternal life is for all. The specific promises to Israel are not for all. (thankfully)
  14. dad

    Dispensational problems

    All the verses about lions laying with a lamb and a child together for example. The verses about God restoring the people of Israel to the land. For example, here are 37 verses! What Does the Bible Say About The Millennium?
  15. dad

    Dispensational problems

    Ah, there we have the problem. Thanks for that. You do not accept that God keeps His promises. Not only to Christians, but also to His people of old. The final week of Daniel (7 years) is known as time of Jacob's trouble. Do you think you are Jacob too? Israel will mourn as for an only son when...
  16. dad

    Dispensational problems

    There are actually oodles and oodles of verses about that time. All you do is show that you have not comprehended yet.
  17. dad

    Nation born in a day in 1948?

    You seem to be saying that you agree that the nation modern Israel is not a result of God bringing them back to the land in 1948. Not sure what other point you are trying to make, maybe be clear.
  18. dad

    Nation born in a day in 1948?

    False. Israel (whether God brought them back there or not) has to be there to be able to be invaded, eventually repent, etc. If God had brought them back, their enemies would be long gone and wiped out now. They really would be in peace, have repented, etc etc. God is not done with Israel, and...
  19. dad

    Dispensational problems

    The fire is one that wipes out His enemies as He takes over this world that still will have nations and etc. No denial, you just contorted the context beyond all reason and in direct violation of the rest of the bible. He could not rule with saints over nations in some hellish inferno. When He...
  20. dad

    Nation born in a day in 1948?

    I didn't see the hindermost thing you said was here. Where is it? He has been doing that for millennia. (dealing with Israel) You need to pin it in the Tribulation or the end somehow if you claim it must apply there. Nothing to do with 1948.