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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    This is not true. I don't know what translation you use, but my KJB writes "the end of the world" each time translating from the Greek word syntéleia. Below are a few Matthew 13:39 (KJV) The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    It's literally things that come upon the spiritual Kingdom of God as the Gospel is preached unto all the world. Don't forget Christ is speaking to His disciples about things in this age that will affect them, and in fact many to be martyred for their faith. Many professing Christians among...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    I believe it prudent that I bow out of this discussion with you Paul.
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    This is the type of replies that serve no help whatsoever. You are well aware that I have no doubt the cross & resurrection finished the Old Covenant completely! To say I don't believe that shows your frustration. It has been my experience that frustration usually comes into these forum...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    It simply is not possible to deny historical truth Paul. We know the New Covenant in Christ came and the Old Covenant ended by His cross and resurrection. But until the utter destruction there was still a temptation, and these first disciples could be deceived into returning to that which...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    It appears you are confirming what I've argued all along. The disciples needed the SIGN which was given them first when Christ breathed on them after His resurrection, and then the SIGN of the Holy Spirit in them confirmed at Pentecost when they received power from on high. That's why they...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    At the very least the Temple and buildings that from Old represented the Holy Place of God and worship to Him in Jerusalem.
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    The definition of "telos" also carries with it a continual custom that is coming to an end! Although the Old Covenant was ended by the cross & resurrection, the customary worship did not end until the temple and buildings were destroyed. Strong's Greek Dictionary 5056. τέλος telos (télos)...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Absolutely true! Not one time is "telos" translated "end of the age"!
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    You call what you don't agree with twisting? Unless you can show me how I've twisted the texts, I will assume you cannot, and therefore it is your opinion without fact!
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Really! Care to elaborate?
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    Question RE Unconditional Election

    I'll answer with a question for you. How many or who among those first century disciples of Christ had perfect understanding of all doctrine? If those who walked with Christ on the earth did not have perfect understanding for all Biblical doctrine are they not eternally secure in Christ? Good...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Didn't Christ come to those who had already died, through His Spirit? Aren't they presently spiritually alive with Christ in heaven? Isn't that what Paul means when he says Christ is the firstfruits of them that slept? They were physically dead being born in Adam. Now, since Christ is...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Why does Christ say He will not come until He goes away and sends Him? John 16:7-15 (KJV) Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    You gave verses attributing what I've already said I agree with??? Why not address the verse I gave you that tells us the Spirit was WITH you but would be IN you? It's the permanent presence of Christ IN us by His Spirit that is the SIGN Christ's disciples (all of them) cannot endure or...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Who are you arguing with? I've never said or even implied the Holy Spirit's presence being in certain people in both the Old and New Testaments. Though the Spirit was in some people of old, the Spirit came and went according to the will of God. That's why we read of Him coming upon a person...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    The Holy Spirit has always been sent by God to be with certain individuals, but He was not IN US until after the cross and resurrection. John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Sorry! Don't know what you mean? The context tells us what "the end" is. The beginning is not in question! And telos defined "the end" is, according to context, speaking of whatever is in view. OTOH syntéleia defined "the end" always speaks of the consummation when Christ comes again.
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    At that point in time they had not received the Holy Spirit. But they would need Him. That's why Christ breathed the Spirit unto them, because without the Spirit in them they might not remain faithful unto their end. John 20:19-23 (KJV) Then the same day at evening, being the first day of...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    That's true while He was still with them. But how would they continue to have faith after Christ departs? Would they not then need power from on high?