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    Why do you think that GOD had Noah build the ark?

    Shalom, guysmith. Actually, BiggAndyy is not correct. The Scriptures DO tell us why God had Noach build the ark ("box"): Genesis 6:14-7:4 14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. 15 And this is the fashion which...
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    Are Gentiles excluded from the promise?

    Shalom, dragonfly. Maybe today they do, but that hasn't always been the case. Throughout European history prior to the advent of the Gutenberg press (and even long afterward), all copies of the Torah (and more rarely the whole Tanakh) were handcopied and very expensive. It was a VERY big deal...
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    Are Gentiles excluded from the promise?

    Shalom, Rex. You said, "I am not sold on the concept nor am I sold out on the Idea that some how 'Israel' of the flesh 'DNA' has obtained a slightly different flavor of salvation, one based on being a descendent of Abraham." I'm in agreement with you on this basic understanding; I really don't...
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    Are Gentiles excluded from the promise?

    Shalom, Rex. Ummmmm... Rex, they ARE special simply because they are Isra'elites! Remember what Sha'uwl Paulos (Saul surnamed Paul) said to the Romans in Romans 11: Romans 11:11-29 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is...
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    PREPARING FOR THE COMING TRIBULATION

    Shalom, Guestman. I'm not going to let you get by with this one. You should AVOID using any form of Young's Literal Translation! The Greek word "parousia" does NOT mean "presence"; it means an "arrival." It's not just a "being along side"; it means "a becoming along side," speaking of a...
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    Coming Antichrist Is Not Of Islam

    Shalom, terry. Actually, you need to review history a little more. Hitler came upon Germany at one of its weakest moments. They had just come out of WWI and were severely sanctioned by losing that war. Their country is land-locked and their resources are limited. They were in a great recession...
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    true Christian Eschatology made easy

    Shalom, horsecamp. While it is very easy, it is also very simplistic. If that's all God wanted us to know, then why provide us with so much prophecy? Better than 2/3 of the Bible is devoted to prophecy and the fulfillment of those prophecies. No one on this forum should take a dogmatic stance...
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    Justice & Glory: America's Fall, Obama's help.

    Shalom, Rex. Right! And, with North Korea gunning for us, this is a BAD time to be weak!
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    Are Gentiles excluded from the promise?

    Shabbat shalom, guysmith. That depends on whether one as a Gentile is within the Messiah. If he is a believer and "tucked away" within the Messiah, then he shares in the promises made to Isra'el through the Messiah. If he is an unbeliever and unjustified, then he cannot participate directly as...
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    Simple Chart of End Times Events

    Shalom, terry. It's not that difficult, but perhaps a little explanation is necessary: The "Ctrl/Cmd+V" statement reads like this: "Hold down the 'Ctrl' (Control) or the 'Cmd' (Command) key and press 'V'." IBMs and IBM clones that use Windows will have a keyboard that has a "Ctrl" or "Control"...
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    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Shalom, Rex. The way I understood a "chiasm" or a "chiasma" was to think of the Greek letter "chi" (which looks like a tall "x" and from which the word is derived) and see the technique as a cross-over of key words. It's just another technique of poetry. It's not uncommon for the Hebrew to have...
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    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Shalom, 7angels. No problem, brother. It takes time. It's why we need to understand the Jewish roots of our faith - the Jewish origins of how Christianity began. It's easy for us who have pictures painted of our Lord Jesus Christ with white skin, blue eyes, and long flowing brown hair and a...
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    The "HE" of Daniel 9:27

    Shalom, Trekson. This thread was buried for a while; so, I missed it. Let me continue... This is an unfortunate belief that you have about Isra'el. The reason why they are in such disbelief right now is BECAUSE of Christians and that the Messiah has NOT yet returned! When the Messiah comes AS...
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    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Shalom, Joshua David. (I haven't forgotten your post.) To my statement,... Second, the way that most who believe in the pretribulational Rapture put it, they will take 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 and say that a resurrection occurs when the saints (whom they call the "church") are raptured! My...
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    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Shalom, 7angels. Forgive me, but I'm going to break in here and comment. I don't believe in all nine of these as "a total of nine major events yet to come." Taking the project management approach, you know that there is a difference between a task and a milestone, right? In mathematics, it's...
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    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Shalom, terry. Well, "pre-wrathers" or "midtribulational rapturists" also have to answer the same question. Where are we going from there? If you say to "Heaven," then you, too, have the same question presented to you: Where did Paul or ANYBODY say that we go with Yeshua` to "Heaven" following...
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    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Shalom, Joshua David. These are too theologically-biased points that you (and others) are making. First, we don't know WHAT happened to the saints who were resurrected when Yeshua` died! Anything that anyone says about their fates is SPECULATION! Here's all we know: Matthew 27:50-54 50 Jesus...
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    Simple Chart of End Times Events

    Shalom, JosyWales. Sorry, but the beginning of the "1000-year reign of the Messiah" (actually, just the FIRST 1000 years of His ETERNAL reign) is NOT when Yerushalayim haChadashah (the New Jerusalem) descends to earth! It's at the END of the first 1000 years when the city descends. Secondly...
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    Changed At The Twinkling Of An Eye

    Shalom, kaoticprofit. LOL! I would agree that the "original text" is the "true text," BUT we don't HAVE the "original text!" All we have are COPIES of the "original manuscripts!" Some of those are quite old, but we don't have the "original manuscript" of ANY of the books of the Bible! NOT ONE...
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    Simple Chart of End Times Events

    Shalom, JosyWales. Also very PURDY, but not very useful. See, the problem is two-fold: First of all, the "tribulation" is NOT restricted to seven years nor is the "great tribulation" three and a half years. Second, I'm just extremely tired of would-be theologians trying to put all the numbers...