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1 John 2:28 aims this language at "little children", therefore there is no question that it refers to God's children, true disciples with "true" faith.

Yup, those branches that don't bear fruit are cast forth and are burned. Couldn't be clearer. You think that's not a salvific issue--you can't, because your opinions are threatened by the Scripture, so you must reject the obvious truth, which is ridiculous.

Yup, whoever has the Son has the life--never disagreed with that--but not all abide, and they don't retain the life.

Sorry, that's not what is written. Read 1 John 3:23, 24 for instruction on how to abide then rejoin the discussion.

The eternal life is only in the Son (1 Jn 5:11), hence only those who abide, by obeying the commands of God, are supplied with that substance/life/Spirit that is only in the Vine, but those who do not are burned (Jn 15; 1 Jn 3:23,24). The question has never been about the eternality of the...

The branch issued from the Vine. It must have life to grow. At some point it ceases abiding and is unable to bear fruit and is eventually cast out and burned. 1 John 2:28, for this reason, warns the children to abide, so they won't draw back in shame (Heb 10:39) at Christ's appearance (shame...

The branch that doesn't abide gets burned. Couldn't be clearer.

He raised a valid point, it just was beside the point. Irrelevant.

TTYL guys

In Ro 11, the wild olive branch is the Gentile believer, and, yes, they're grafted in to His cultivated olive tree by faith.

The branches issue from the Vine, so of course they at one time had life. The issue is they don't abide, just as John warns the little children to abide in Christ (so they won't be ashamed at His appearance), not be led away by idolatry (1 Jn 2:28, 5:21).

Just as an example of how you're wrong on this : You haven't had an answer for your error in saying being a branch that is cut off and thrown in the fire isn't a salvific matter for the longest time.

Nope, no need to deflect, since I actually agree with what you said--but it's entirely beside the point.

Already disproved this : branches that don't abide are thrown in the fire. You have had no rebuttal to this for a long time already. That's not the point. You're assuming a method of abiding, all I need to do to disprove OSAS is show abiding is necessary and that some do not abide, as I've done.

Nope no deflection. Actually edited the response: This is irrelevant. The topic is abiding is necessary for eternal life bc the life is only in Christ (1 Jn 2:28, 3:23, 24, 5:11,21). The fact that we must be forgiven doesn't disprove that God expects holiness, nor that if we don't walk in...

This is irrelevant. The topic is abiding is necessary for eternal life bc the life is only in Christ (1 Jn 2:28, 3:23, 24, 5:11,21). The fact that we must be forgiven doesn't disprove that God expects holiness, nor that if we don't walk in holiness He has threatened to remove His Spirit (Ps...

So, you finally concede they had faith. Good. They were "grafted in" by God. Were they able to trick God into cutting them off of their original wild olive trees and grafting them in to His cultivated olive tree, and make them partakers of the substance of the root, and of His kindness, with...

Yeah, idk why you see mutual exclusivity between one sin meriting death (eg, Adam) and the fact that we're called to walk in faith, and when we don't, we sin, and are not justified but condemned (as also James teaches), because we're not revealing God's righteousness from faith to faith (Ro...

Glory to God. "His saints" refers to His holy people, Israel, where His presence dwells (unlike any other nation (Ex 33:15)), which God has promised will never see an end. Peter and the rest of the Jewish believers are the remnant of His saints, Israel, that will never end. Then others may want...

They didn't have faith though it says "You stand by your faith" (Ro 11)?