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    New Views on the Rapture

    Shalom, Episkopos. No, that's not true. Tsiown (Zion) is a MOUNTAIN in Isra'el where Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) sits, and Yeshua` is certainly NOT on that mountain right now! Please quote the Scripture(s) that you use to support your view so one can show you how you've misinterpreted the...
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    First the Rapture and then the Great Tribulations

    Shalom, 7angels. I don't know how others will answer, but the first coming or the first advent of our Master Yeshua` haMashiach (our Lord Jesus the Christ) happened around 5 B.C. until around 30 A.D. when Yeshua` was crucified. The second coming or the second advent will happen when Yeshua`...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, HeRoseFromTheDead. Yeshua` is NEVER called "God the Son"; He is called the "Son of God!" That's a BIG difference! And, here's ANOTHER analogy that doesn't work for me. You see, I have slightly different definitions for "soul" and "spirit," as well. The words translated "spirit" are...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, JLB. Sorry, but that's not really so "excellent."
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, veteran. Don't be a dippity-do-dah. The passage you just quoted does NOT mean that the Son is equal to the Father; it just means that they are on the same page! He can't be referring to seeing the Father actually. Can't you see how verse 6 contradicts that interpretation of verses 7...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, JLB. Yes, you are the exception to that point among the three of you. You DID say that you have never said Jesus Christ is God The Father. And, yes, He is the "only begotten" of the Father, but one must be careful with those words, too. There are four different Greek words rendered as...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, veteran, HeRoseFromTheDead and JLB. Do you three feel better now? Did you get all that out of your system? I HOPE so, because it's time to move on! Matthew 19:16-17 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shalom, JLB. Oh, good grief, Charlie Brown! (When are going to use question marks?) Okay, one last time: Here's the simple, straight answers: Yeshua` (Jesus) was referring to the time period of the days of the disciples when He made His statement in Matthew 24:15-21. I believe the above...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shalom, JLB. Happy to oblige, brother! Because the Greek word "ideete" is used, a verb with a second-person-plural ending, he was talking to His disciples present RIGHT THERE when He said, "when YOU see." Therefore, the "abomination of desolation" must be something that the disciples of the...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shalom, again, veteran. P.S. Oh, and I forgot a key ingredient to the procedure mentioned above. One must also have a willing spirit to HEAR what Yeshua` was saying, regardless whether it "fits one's eschatological viewpoint" or not! If one already thinks he has all the answers and doesn't need...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shalom, veteran. No, veteran, JLB is NOT right! And, nor are you if you can't understand that the Olivet Discourse, presented in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13, and Luke 21, has parts in it that were for HIS DISCIPLES' times as well as "the end." The Preterists' point of view, namely that...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shalom, JLB. Your questions (without question marks, btw) for Bob are rather insulting. You should rephrase them. Let me ask YOU a question or two: Do you believe that the "tribulation" is 7 years long and the "great tribulation" is 3.5 years long? If so, what makes you think so?
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shalom, JLB. Perhaps, but apparently I'm not going to get it from you. Let's now look at BOTH verses together both in the Greek and in the English: 20 Proseuchesthe de hina mee geneetai hee fugee humoon cheimoonos meede sabbatoo; 21 estai gar tote thlipsis megalee hoia ou gegonen ap’ archees...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, HeRoseFromTheDead. I find this a DANGEROUS answer! When you say, "Jesus, the Son, is the visible form of the invisible God, the Father. He is the only visible form of the Father anyone will ever see, or ever has seen," you open the door for confusion between the Son and the Father...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shalom, JLB. Ummm... the people to whom He was speaking! "when YOU see..." (Greek: "ideete")! What difference would it make in today's warfare for someone to "flee to the mountains?" In Matthew 24:21, you are reading only the tail-end of the sentence. You MUST include verse 20 in the reading...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shalom, JLB. Don't be ridiculous. Yeshua` PRONOUNCED them "desolate," and God through Titus MADE them "desolate!" Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, JLB. On this note, I have to be extremely careful, and here's why: There are SO many denominations of "Christians" who claim that Yeshua` is part of the Trinity or the Tri-unity of God to the extent that they say that He IS God! They will often pray ONLY to Him; they worship ONLY Him...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shalom, JLB. Three important things here: First, I take it you mean "basic ENGLISH Grammar 101" (not "Grammer," btw). However, neither English nor Hebrew would use the object of a preposition (particularly, the subordinate nouns in a noun construct state) as the antecedent for subsequent...
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    Jesus Said When He Returns (Think!)

    Shalom, savedwheat. All the numbers in the prophecies will be fulfilled in God's timing, but too many people play with the numbers when it is the PURPOSE behind His coming that is what is important. If one wants to know when Yeshua` will return, simply look at Matthew 23:39: Matt. 23:37-39 37...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shalom, veteran. Yes, that is the argument of the error; however, you're neglecting the little word "of" in the English translation of verse 26. The subject of the sentence in 26b is NOT the "prince the comer" but is the "PEOPLE OF the prince the comer." You're right that the "prince the...