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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, Angelina and HeRoseFromTheDead. The thing you are missing is that God's "knife" of cutting off those who are not His does not just cut a single way in either direction! It's true and you well realize that God does not separate the Jews from the Gentiles by the blood line, but He also...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shabbat shalom, JLB. No, sorry, can't do it. Yeshua` haMashiach was cut off after the 70th "Seven" began. Actually, one needs to be extremely careful in the wording of Dani'el 9:24-27. Very few English versions do it justice. Technically, Yeshua` is cut off AFTER the 69 "Sevens," not at the...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shalom, JLB. I changed the bold-facing above, and here's a few more: Matt 23:37-39 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shalom, Bob. I think you would do better to take those things you count as figurative or symbolic a little more literally. You see, Yeshua` haMashiach IS haKeves Elohiym, the Lamb of God! It may SEEM like a metaphor until you realize that HE is the Lamb that was provided by God as a sacrifice...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, veteran. LOL! This argument would be extremely laughable if you weren't being serious! Yes, right! Names MEAN certain things! It doesn't matter whether you want to believe it or not, that's the way people were named back then; it's not an "Indian" thing! Quite frankly, that's the way...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shalom, brother Saint, once known as Sinner-Saint, right? Y'know, bro, these 144,000 are Isra'elis. They are even listed by tribe! The 144,000 are those who have learned about the Messiah Yeshua` and are His heralds for the time before His arrival. The people who identify themselves as...
  7. Retrobyter

    How To Stay in Bible Context

    Shalom, veteran, and happy Pesach (Passover). Technically, it's NO. Strictly speaking, staying within a context is staying within the chapter or even the surrounding chapters within a book. When one strays to another author, even an author under inspiration, one assumes that they are saying...
  8. Retrobyter

    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Shabbat shalom and happy Pesach, veteran and KillCarneyKlansman. You both should learn to divorce the concept of the "rapture" from the pretribulational rapturist's point of view. While there's no such thing as the wild rapture theory of the pretribulational rapturist's position, there...
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    What Wrath Are Christ's Servants Not Appointed To?

    Shalom, Mark S. Remember: Although Paul was writing to the called-out group at Thessalonika, Asia, he was primarily writing to the Jews within that community. He always started his ministry within a community "to the Jew first and also to the Gentile." He would go into town, find the Jewish...
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    What Wrath Are Christ's Servants Not Appointed To?

    Shalom, Mark S. Here's something to consider: You're right that Paul contrasts wrath and salvation. However, if you follow the logic between Romans 10:13, a verse quoted from Joel 2:32, you will find that "salvation" means national "RESCUE," not personal justification by God. So, in light of...
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    Blood vs. Bones

    Shalom, Mark S. Not quite, brother. Y'see, Genesis 1 only talks about "hashaamayim," "the skies." Frankly, we're not told too much about "shmeey hashaamayim," "outer space," (like, none at all) in Genesis chapter 1. In fact, I had to surmise about the stars being created there. It's possible...
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    Blood vs. Bones

    Shabbat shalom, veteran. I'm getting a little tired of this attitude of yours. Why do you have to make this about "carnal thinking?" (You need to look up just what "carnal thinking" is. You've got this word "carnal" that you hang so much upon, but you have forgotten what the word meant in...
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    Blood vs. Bones

    Shalom, veteran. As can be seen in the verses I quoted for Mark, the correct question is "Where is God Himself NOT right now?" God is omnipresent; He is everywhere at once! There is nowhere God is not! As David said, Ps 139:7-12 7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee...
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    Blood vs. Bones

    Shabbat shalom, Mark S. As far as the Creation of the Heavens (the Skies) and the Earth, yes; however, don't forget that Mosheh (Moses) quickly added, "He made the stars also," per inspiration. God did NOT create the stars and then wait around for millions of years for the light to get here. I...
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    Blood vs. Bones

    Shalom, Mark S. Actually, there USED to be water outside of the heavens, the earth's atmosphere. That's what fell to earth for forty days and forty nights during Noach's Flood! There didn't used to be rain in the first heaven and the first earth before the Flood. However, this water was not at...
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    Blood vs. Bones

    Shalom, veteran. ... YET, you mean, but He was not just transfigured; He was TRANSFORMED! It's simpler than that. Yeshua`s body was RESURRECTED AND TRANSFORMED as our bodies one day will be at our resurrection (1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1 Thes. 4:13-17). Technically, when Yeshua` was on the mountain...
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    Blood vs. Bones

    Shalom, mark s. PRECISELY! Thank you for your excellent deductions! There are two kinds of physical bodies, a "sooma psuchikon" and a "sooma pneumatikon." (Again, I use "oo" for an omega and "o" for an "omicron," which only gets tricky when the two are side by side. I also use "ee" for an eta...
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    Blood vs. Bones

    Shalom, ttruscott. You haven't dealt with the fact that Yeshua` was in a PHYSICAL BODY that could be handled, could speak, and could eat and drink! How is that a "heavenly body" or a "pure spirit," either one? Shalom, 7angels. You haven't dealt with Luke at all in your statement. You see no...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, veteran. That's just silly and wishful thinking. If you can't tell from the version that you're using where the "Kenites" came from, CHANGE VERSIONS! Or, better still, go back to the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, HEBREW! What are y'all trying to do, perpetuate the nonsensical angel theory of the...
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    Blood vs. Bones

    Shalom, everyone! This is more for fun, than anything else, but there is a fundamental truth at stake in this question: How do you rectify these seemingly contradictory statements? Luke 24:36-43 36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be...