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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    So why will you not agree the first resurrection is not physical, since you clearly understand who the first resurrection man has part in is? Are you still insisting the first resurrection is physical? Or do you now understand the "first resurrection" is to be made spiritually alive in Christ...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Since in life they have part in the first resurrection in Christ, they shall also be physically resurrected to immortality and incorruptibility when the last trump sounds that time on this earth shall be no longer.
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Yes, David, we agree He has risen from the grave. Did you notice what Christ says regarding His spirit as He was dying? Luke 23:46 (KJV) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. While it...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Yes, I too am glad we have much agreement about salvation. But I think is sad that you seem not to understand that the life we received through the resurrection of Christ is the "first resurrection" man must have part in to overcome the second death. When the saints, both those who are still...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Then I don't understand David? If you understand the life we have in Christ is everlasting from the moment we are born again, why do you show such confusion regarding this spiritual resurrection life we have through Him? If the everlasting life we have through Christ is spiritual, and it is...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    You are not rightly reading the words of Scripture David. Christ does not say that His coming the second time is the first resurrection. I am not calling Jesus a liar, you are not understanding the Scripture and reading your doctrine into the verse. The martyred souls lived and reigned with...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    This is true David, the living and the dead IN CHRIST shall receive our immortal & incorruptible bodies of flesh when Christ comes again! This is not depicting the "first resurrection"! The first resurrection, as you agree is the resurrection of Christ that man must have part in while alive in...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    No David, saints will not receive our immortal and incorruptible physical body until the bodily resurrection and change when the last trump sounds that time shall be no longer. Paul shows us that when the physical body of believers die our spirit leaves, and as spiritual body we go to heaven...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Once TIME, likened a thousand years shall be no longer there will not be another ONE thousand literal years of time given this earth. You should be able to understand this since you agree the first resurrection is the resurrection of Christ we must have part in to overcome the second death. We...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    The first resurrection through Christ, according to Scripture comes the moment we believe! That is when our spirit that was "dead in trespass and sins" is made alive by the resurrection life of Christ. When we receive His Spirit through new birth from above the spirit in man returns to God who...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    How can we be part of the first resurrection through Christ physically since our body will not be resurrected immortal and incorruptible until the last day? John sees living souls in heaven as Paul says a spiritual body. Yes, our physical bodies are destined to die, that's why the first...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Showing various translations is NOT calling God a liar. It is showing we need to do further investigation to find which translation has rightly interpreted the verse. That's why I gave you verses proving when believers physically die they are still present with the Lord in heaven. This is not...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    David, wpm is proving exactly the opposite! When we are alive in Christ, having been born again, born from above, spiritual re-birth from spiritual death to spiritually alive in Him, we are of the "first resurrection" because we have part in the resurrection of Christ, Who is the first to be...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    The first resurrection is not at the return of Christ. The resurrection at the return of Christ is physical, when the last trump sounds and the saints are resurrected to immortal and incorruptible bodies of flesh, and at the same hour that is coming the bodies of ALL who are in the graves...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    The rest of the dead, those who have also lived and died in TIME will not be resurrected to life until the last trumpet sounds in the same hour that is coming when all in the graves will be physically resurrected to everlasting life, or condemnation. This is a depiction of the one and only...
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    Another Premillennial absurdity

    When we live in time with Christ, the life we have through Him is eternal, which means we never die. The following translations have correctly shown this truth, because none of them show the physically dead coming/returning to life again. John sees only the living souls of faithful saints in...
  17. R

    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Nope, don't believe that for a second!
  18. R

    Another Premillennial absurdity

    David, how do you know it is not your doctrine that hits the bullseye on some things, as well as being off where the doctrine of wpm and myself is hitting the bullseye?
  19. R

    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Faster than a speeding bullet! ;)
  20. R

    Another Premillennial absurdity

    Saying we are off will not cut it unless you can prove what you allege David. Why not respond to my reply #1,847 regarding Rev 20?