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I am not trying to convince anyone, least of all you. You made what I consider a nonsensical statement so I replied in kind.

Well said Michael. I go back to my contention that you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater which JM appears to have done. Apart from the fact that Satan will NEVER give glory to God for miracles and healing so that in itself will tell you if something is from God or not. I have...

If you don't like homosexual marriage, don't have one.

I have no doubt what you say is true, but as I say, one does not throw the baby out with the bathwater. And as you said you disagree with JM on the subject of cessationist belief.

I know some will say you can't live in the past, you have to get involved in the now. However, the church everywhere lives in the past for the simple reason that everything in the bible is in the past, not the present. The scripture does say to press towards the mark and to seek those things...

I have read JMs book Charismatic Chaos, in which he sets out all his objections to the work of the Holy Spirit today (read that as charismatic and Pentecostal). Throughout the book when he used examples to illustrate what he was saying he always picked on extreme examples like the one above...

it is not a new book. I read it at least 10 years ago. As to your second point that is not the issue. The issue is JM saying that ALL manifestations which are claimed to be the work of the Holy Spirit are of the devil when obviously they are not. That is what you are saying if you claim the...

If you had taken the time to read my posts on the subject, you will notice that I don't use the NASB, the NIV, the King James, The CEV. I use the original Greek. That way I am not tempted to use the version that suits my ideas. What is preventing you from reading what I said which was that one...

Act 20:17 And sending to Ephesus from Miletus, he called for the elders of the assembly. The word is presbuteros not poimen. Act 20:28 Then take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit placed you as overseers, to shepherd the assembly of God which He purchased...

We didn't say it was. What we are referring to his penchance to call the operation of the Holy Spirit in other people's lives that do not fall in line with his understanding the work of Satan. You cannot get more blasphemous than saying miracles do not happen today when they obviously do...

Sorry to say horsecamp I have never based my faith and understanding on Lutheran theology. If I did that I would have rejected so many things that are in scripture and accepted many things that are not in scripture just like so many other denominations who elevate their denominational traditions...

Then prove me wrong. Produce the scriptures that tell us to employ pastors from outside the fellowship and pay them a salary. Yes he does. In Timothy and Titus the requirements of leadership are set out very specifically and not once does it mention about bringing a pastor from outside to run...

Nowhere in scripture does it talk about bringing a pastor from outside of the church to lead it and pay him a salary. And the qualification you are talking about in scripture refer to Elders chosen from within the fellowship, not brought in from outside.

I assume you are saying if you are not a Jew the Sabbath is not relevant. if that is the case, can I ignore the other nine commandments? If not why not?

I purchased John MacArthur’s book on Creation and I am glad I did as it is excellent. I was browsing another book of his in a book store and came across this claim “Miracles do not happen today.” I did not buy the book as it was obvious that he was a cessationist and I knew that it was not the...

As you have failed to address the questions VOT, I assume that you cannot answer my questions.

What does it mean then?

I think it is a case of you want to believe that. In scripture it talks about shepherds being in a field watching their flock by night. In December in Palestine it is winter and very often snow. That being the case, the shepherds would not keep their sheep outdoors in fields and that being the...

And the so called "communion" that we have today is totally subjective. The Catholics want you to attend every day to improve your chances of heaven. Then there are those who cannot have a meeting without communion. Then there are those who have communion once a week. Then there are those...