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Being paid is one way to substantially show honor. But, it's not the honor comment itself. Paul is very clearly defending the payment of elders in the context. "Those whose work is preaching and teaching... The worker deserves his wages" isn't vague. That is your take on things, it is not what...

There is nothing in scripture that says that one shouldn't earn a living preaching. There is plenty of teaching in scripture that indicates no one was paid to be good. History as well shows that this was the case because Constantine, when he legalised christianity and made it the state religion...

They don't preach the return of Christ, our role (as the church) in that, the purpose of God by establishing His (Christ's) rule over this earth again that Adam lost to Satan, and our ultimate destiny and the rest of mankind. That's a little different than "dying and going to heaven" and...

The last couple of years I have read and contributed to many different Christian Forums. The last few weeks it has dawned on me how many churches are having problems with their leadership, due mainly it seems to so called "pastors" dominating the flock.This does not surprise me as a long...

Thanks jtartar for your contributions. It is so good that there are others who want to base what they believe on the scriptures, not man's ideas and the traditions of men.

"Christians want a building they can all meet at and focus on our God....this is the church building. Not a necessity, but an avenue. Not the actual "church", but a place where the church can come together. And that place does have bills, and it should be supported by the church, which is it's...

I would have to say brother Mike that you do not appear to have a gift of teaching. What you have said is a classic example of someone who has been taught something, accepted it uncritically and then searched for scripture to support your theory, mostly taking it out of context and making it say...

What you have to decide is whether you want to be an old testament christian or a new testament christian. An OT christian lives under the law, a NT christian lives under grace. The NT christian is guided by the NT. The OT christian is guided by the OT. In the NT there is no mention of tithing...

Richard,If the truth were known, that is probably the prime motivation for most church leaders. That being the case, it is not surprised that the church gets the results it does. Basically nothing. In a survey carried out in the US only 1% of churches were growing. Retirement is not exactly a...

What I set out was how the NT church conducted itself in regards to leadership. I happen to believe that you can't pick and choose which bits of scripture you use for faith and practice. Therefore if what we do is not backed up by the general revelation of scripture, it is us that is wrong, not...

Some very good comments obviously posted by people who can think for themselves. I often think of the church as a sausage machine. The audience are the sausage skins and the preacher produces the meat to be forced into the skins. When they are full they are sent out to be roasted by the devil as...

Do we also not mention that not all Churches today have a lengthy, just-feel-good, pep rally with jumbo trons once week on Sunday. I fail to see the relevance of this statement. And do we not also mention that some Churches today do meet daily, a few even 24/7 365 with respectful and beautiful...

my whole point was that none of those verses describe anything any of us would consider a worship service. This comment is important especially as you now say that a worship service happens in the context of a funeral.On that basis of course none of the verses do describe anything that would be...

Ok. A worship service was no doubt held at the burials of both John and Mary at the Church in Ephesus. Without consulting 40 authors or Biblical commentary I would say that at least part of that process constituted a 1st century worship service and I doubt those people buried them in someone's...

a particular group of 40 men (which now it is admitted that even they do not all agree) Not by me. Then an attack on a denomination, though am not sure what RC belief is being referred to here This statement definitely shows you have got a blockage somewhere. It seems to you that everything is...

And maybe not stated but obviously I do not agree with that definition of worship. Until you state what is worship to you, there is no discussion as discussion starts with a proposition. So I ask you once again, what do you mean by worship? But the point is we know no such thing. You are basing...

My view of what constitutes a worship service today is irrelevant, that would not be the point of this thread. As part of your argument is based on this proposition, it is very relevant, so pray tell me what constitutes a worship service. If you won't answer, I have to assume that you are...

I would still like to know what you consider a "worship" service.

In case you are not sure what I was asking, what is a "worship' service?

my whole point was that none of those verses describe anything any of us would consider a worship service. I am not sure what you are talking about