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And yet the narrative you describe is dependent on a Masoretic text reading that is contradicted by the LXX and historical, archaeological, linguistic, geologic, cartographic, and photographic evidence.

btw, so as not to create confusion - I do believe the father and son are different. But I also believe my body and soul are different.

Do you know how many scriptures I can list in which two different descriptions are used to describe the very same thing? It was a Hebrew literary device called parallelism, that is found throughout the bible, old and new. Here's an example from the same person who wrote most (if not all) of the...

Well here is my opinion for scrutinity. I would like to know where you find fault: http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/14427-is-jesus-god/page__st__330__p__142920#entry142920 http://www.christian...post__p__139394

I'm speechless. One one hand (other posts), you have positioned yourself against those who, by embracing the traditions of the status quo, vigorously reject new revelation; and on the other, you now are opposed to those who's revelation contradicts tradition and the belief of 99% of Christians...

You're essentially saying then that the Masoretic Text version is correct because it conforms to your belief that you derived from the Masoretic Text. The Ezekiel verse is an allegorical reference to the waters of life issuing forth from the New Jerusalem. Do you also believe that water will...

The verses you listed don't support the idea of a great valley at all. In fact, they describe the exact opposite: valleys filled in by landsliding. That is consistent with the recurrent biblical theme of every mountain being abased, and every valley being exalted. If you realize that the...

Yes, we have had a discussion about the LXX before. Fausset makes some good points, and the Alexandrian school may have had some squirrelly ideas. I can demonstrate, however, that your belief that Massoretic Text based bibles are always right contradicts itself. All you have to do is identify...

Sorry. I wasn't very clear. I was trying to demonstrate that your own belief contradicts itself. You propose that the King James version (or whatever Masoretic Text version you use) of Zechariah 14:4 is correct because of your belief that it is the word of God. The two verses below appear in the...

I think those who make the trinity a divisive issue are themselves being divisive. You had some fairly harsh words for Groundzero that I think are unwarranted. We all see through a glass darkly, and I see nothing in his opinion that is anti-Christ, or even rebukeable.

What you posted is the fairy tale version. Just because it's in the "bible" doesn't mean it's the word of God. Which version is the word of God?

Strong words. What is your definition of the trinity?

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I have no problem with the language of any you listed. It is only when such language devolves into the notion of three separate persons that I cry "foul". I do take exception with Justin Martyr's description of the triune nature. Doesn't scripture and the spirit itself teach that Christ is...

While researching modalism, I came across these interesting facts: * Tertullian is considered to be the father of the trinity doctrine. * His ideas were rejected as heresy at first by the church, but were later accepted as orthodoxy (This indicates to me that the trinity doctrine was not...

Here's a fact of scripture in which I don't see anything about a great valley: The valley between the hills will be filled in, yes, it will be blocked as far as Jasol, it will be filled in as it was by the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Zechariah 14:5, New Jerusalem Bible I am...

I was following you.

Exsqueeze me? I have fact, you have opinion. You've already said that you don't want to know the truth in this matter.

You're delusional. That's a fairy tale. I'm really speechless that people willfully choose to be so blind.

That's a good and valid point. Even though he lied to his father, I would like to come to Jacob's defense by saying that he didn't steal anything from Esau. He legally owned the birthright because Esau sold it to him. Isaac was determined to give the birthright blessing to an ungodly man, but...