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Also here is what you don't understand. Prior to anyone receiving the Holy Spirit of God permanently, the first thing on God the Father's agenda, was to send God the Son to be made flesh, THEN to shed His holy blood, for the forgiveness and REMOVAL of sin. God the Father is Holy, therefore He...

Jesus makes a very clear distinction of God the Father and Himself working together: John 5[17] But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Ooopps, Sorry (LOL), more personal pronouns just got in the way. But, if you want to, you can just eliminate them, thereby making...

I Never said that *they were not ONE!! (*personal pronoun in likeness, as it is written in Genesis 1:26 and John 14:23.) What about that, do you not understand? God the Father is God! God the Son is God! God the Father and God the Son TOGETHER, is God the Holy Spirit, who is GOD!!!

Barney, Now possibly, if its what I understand about JW escotology to be true, my thinking is akin to it, but not exactly. Jesus Himself is the New Heaven, and we who believe, and are sealed by that promise of His Holy Spirit, are the New Earth. Why i say that, is by making the comparison to...

Wrong! Its simply this, in Gen. 1:26 and John 14:23, I agree with the witness of the Holy Spirit of truth, and His use of personal pronouns, you don't. So therefore, that is the reason of why I disagree with you. You don't agree with His Truth!

Now you are being subtile with the word subtile. Maybe you and Barney don't yet understand KJV- Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..."

Since my argument was: "if everyone applied your reasoning to "agree to disagree", does that reasoning apply to Jesus also, concerning what he said in John 14:23? Evidently so, because you don't like it, that "the Word made flesh" uses the personal pronouns of "we" and "our", in relation to God...

See Romans 8:8-9

Wrong! Only Jesus is the Truth! Now figure it out of WHO the Spirit of truth is. Here's a clue: John 16[7] Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. "Truth...

Gearhead has shifted, and is now stuck between "gears"

John 1[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 14[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will...

John 1[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

^As I said in the above copy, you are a "word worshipper", which is to say that you worship the written literal words of the Bible. That is an uncommon belief, being contrary to the "common faith". However, we who are Word worshippers, who do understand and accept the personal pronouns in John...

So Barney, how can anyone "edify" those who believe that the Holy Spirit of God is "an it", and not the Comforter, being THEY Who are the "we" and the "our", as is plainly spoken/written of in John 14:23? Ans. Impossible! There can be no edification, to those who are in denial of that which is...

1Cor. 14[26] How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, everyone of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

So, if everyone applied your reasoning to agree to disagree, how does He Who is the Spirit of Truth (Christ: I am the Truth) reside, indwell, live within each Christian having many different truths, when it is Jesus within you, who is THE Truth? I recommend that one think on this: Concerning...

And when you have found out just exactly who it is that is "one pearl of great price", you also will be lifted out of the "ditch". Matthew 13:45-46

Barney, Really?? You should hear yourself! I do suspect, that you being a "word worshipper", have become nuetralized and stumped, as to how you are going to get around the personal pronouns of John 14:23, and interject an impersonal pronoun in their place. Your inability to reply to my numerous...

First, he must change the personal pronouns of "we" and "our" in his JW-NWT, John 14:23. Once he does that, then he can deny the "Trinity", but only to his own tribe, for no one else will listen.

Hi Barney, I supplied the answers for your "Trinity Dimlemma" numerous times, unfortunately you have neglected to respond with any kind of a reply. If therefore you have chosen not to reply, then all here can safely assume that you don't have a leg to stand on, and you know it. So then, since I...