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consubstantial GINOLJC, to all. please post your scriptures to support these claim, I'll ask about two just for now #1. Mary the Mother of God. #2. the property of each nature being preserved PICJAG.

Diversified Oneness vs Oneness as taught by the upc. God is one which the bible clearly define, but that ONE is a plurality, which the Hebrew identify as H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m. now if God is an H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym, which he is, then that fact alone eliminates any ONE...

To all the trinity doctrine believers out there. dave has just lost the final straw of person in the trinity. he states the Father person #1 begot the son. that's natural in nature. the Son who is Spirit is never begotten. dave is confused on natural birth vs spirit DIFFERENTIATION or...

the son of God is Flesh,and the son of man is Spirit... lol... you didn't know that did you dave. now matthews 1:23 calls your doctrine false and untrue. for the conceiver is the Father of any child. see your doctrine has fell apart. it's a falsehood .... PICJAG

ERROR not in flesh....... :eek: now don't advoid the question no, it's the SAME Spirit shared. now dave for the last time Matthews 1:23 is the Holy Ghost the Father yes or No?. PICJAG

1 John 1:1 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 1 John 1:2 "(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life...

yes, the Holy Ghost is the "FATHER" post #816 dave your answer please. PICJAG.

did I say the Father Changed into anyone or thing?. now what did the Father begot? ... flesh, and it was the Holy Spirit that begot that flesh, supportive scripture, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph...

you almost describing "diversified Oneness". the Spirit is Not a separate or divided person. the Spirit is the "Shared" person of "HIMSELF" in flesh. just as G243 allos states. you're almost there as well trinitarian. just meet in the middle and you'll have "Diversified Oneness". as said...

GINOLJC, to all. that's an old one seen it, get some new ones. and walter, when alive had no substance, well trained, but ill informes, as well as David Bernard on oneness, and Gene Cook on the trinity. I have heard them all and all of them come short. the best one I seen is and both flopped...

first thanks for your response, second, the point is, no arguing in the first place, only a simple question was placed on the table. yes, the scriptures don't contradict themselves. but you believe that there are three person in the Godhead, fine that's your belief. hence the question. so...

JBF, I believe we see a few things different. the Spirit is eternity, no begining, no end. we have our being in him. by the spirit sharing himself in flesh there is no difference, eternity is the same for the Spirit. only in time and Spatial did the flesh of his manifested came nto the world...

[ not sure what you want, but it's here on this site. Look in Christian Debate Forum Topic “JESUS, the Holy Spirit, the Only True God.” post #119, page #6 if there is a link to make I don't know how to do that.

so I can take this as you don't know, and cannot answer? ... :p I tell you they just don't make trinitarians like they use to. oh well, I see I cannot get any answers on John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24. so lets examine Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you...

Ephesians 3:3 "How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Ephesians 3:4 "Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Ephesians 3:5 "Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now...

yes, it's in his WORD, did you see it? or did you missed it? please let me know.

just because a simple question was asked now that's pride?. nope, but if you like you can put an end to this shutdown... (smile), just answer the question. PICJAG.

now, can any trinitarian reconcicle John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24?..... well PICJAG.

I see this generation don’t study, not at all. But most of this generation rely on other to tell them the truth, and get none, But a tomb of white wash bones. People need to pick up their bibles and read and STUDY with the HOLY GHOST. I guess that want work, some never read a post. PICJAG.

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