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triune God? ok reconcile thises two verse for me John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the...

see the creed should, be based on the bible, I'm very, very familiar with the bible. now is the Lord Jesus the Father? yes or no.

let's see, is JESUS the Father yes or No...

alright, since you are on the right road now, let see if you understand, is the Lord Jesus the Father..... drum roll....

and you still didn't know.... :eek:

I don't believe so, the scriptures agree with me. since you cannot answer the Revelation 1:1 question, I'll answer it for you. the angel in Rev 22:6 said, "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants...

Hi Jane_Doe22, true, Jesus is the Son of God, this I truly agree with. and that he is Lord and Saviour, but condiser this, is he not the "Father?"

dave, it's a easy question to answer, I'll help you out, this is what the angel said to John. listen, Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done...

see dave you don't know who the Lord Jesus is, (no revealition). now this is the LAST chance. who sent "his" angel to John was it the One whom you calls the Father,God, or the Son whom you call God. now if you KNOW then we will see if the gifts ceased. don't strikeout ...... ok.

see dave is the LORD JESUS is revealed to "YOU". and you can place that with anyone, "YOU" is he revealed to "THEM" if that are asked it's "YOU" the individual, now is the LORD "JESUS" revealed to "YOU". is yes, then answer the question and we'll see if the LORD JESUS is revealed to "YOU"...

nope you missed the point, if he's revealed then as you said, the gifts are ended. so are he revealed? hence my question. so can you answer the question, "who sent "HIS" angel to John. read Rev 22:6 first. your answer please. the one whom you calls the Father, or the Son. if you cannot...

I'm glad you said this. is JESUS revealed to you? ..... let's see. Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John dave who sent his angel to John...

ERROR, 1Cor 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Rom 8:6 For to be...

1Cor 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. (STOP right there, if God gave us these gifts, he never took is Spirit away, for the Gifts are the Spirit, and the Spirit is still here). 1Cor 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to...

LOOK dave, you speak as a man still in the flesh. no need to contuine futher.... ok.

I can care less what J Beardsley says, I know what God said, and like the apostle Peter said, Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. dave you have the wrong spirit. IMO...... :)

thanks for that, I'll take note of IT. also the apostle Peter gave us 7 thing to add to our Faith, 2Pet 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 2Pet 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness...

you Just can't answer the question can you,, so I'll answer it for you. You had no clue that the Pastor is the first “GIFT” on the charismatic gifts list in 1 Corinthians 12:8 that you said is ceased. Understand dave, that the only Pastor to the church of the Lord Jesus Christ is he himself...

fear not dave, I'll help you out in your last chance to answer the question. listen, Jer 3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. can you find the Pastor in the charismatic gifts list in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 that you said...