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Yeah, that is some crazy thinking there. Did they not listen to the teachings about sin??!

Thanks for saying, Jay! you are a kind man of God :) He has brought me to the place now, where special gifts, or "specific" gifts no longer make me wonder. God certainly knows what I do and do not do for His Kingdom, as He does all of us and, yea...our God of God's!...can use an empty clam...

I'd think they were possibly within every denom.

Yes Helen, "moved" and shaken and crazy fearful! "it is robbing you of your joy." <---- Done with Satan taking ANY more of my joy, or my families! Where is our faith? And...as you say where are our eyes. We are so easily distracted and what gets me is, why are so many Christians "surprised"...

Are these folks the ones who do not believe in the moral law?

"Sure would be Easy if Scripture was laid out in an elementary billeted format of all knowledge per One specific topic together... LOL" <--- If only! I have recently heard of the Chronological Bible and would like to get one. I think it could help with timelines, have not researched them yet...

Lol...yes I know that you do ❤

Much agreed here Helen! Satan has taken many an eye off of Christ with all of this. He will distract continually...and yes...we need desperately to strengthen our faith to face all of these things we have been warned about in scripture...I'm sure those were put there for this very time...

Anybody? Beuler? :D C'mon folks...tear my post apart, I know it's all over the place! lol.

Nah no need to PM. I do believe at this time, with physical limitations will do what ever "needs" are. I can cook dinners for those who have lost loved ones, I like to encourage my Christian friends, I like to pray WITH someone. I do on my own but it does not seem fervent enough although, it...

Hello @Taken, This will by no means be an exhaustive account of why I no longer believe in the pre-trib rapture. There is much to be understood concerning the 70 weeks of Daniel, and the 69 weeks. I don't understand the gap so, my thoughts go to them being just one long 973 years. I'll not...

Sure do wish I had that gift.

Yes, I have heard of both uses. Thought I had a handle on the tongues for the edification of the Church but, I sure do not understand the individual tongue thing...I do know what others say about it. One of my brothers calls it his private prayer language but...even though an interpreter is...

Sure, I will get some verses together...it will probably get into the full and partial preterists viewpoints of the time frame of prophecies but...I'm brain dead right now, and up way past my bedtime. Will try to get to it tomorrow! Nite. :)

Ah, go figure...technophobe here :D Like Helen, I don't like to put folks on ignore but...for the sake of peace...I will at times but will also sometimes peek at what the ignored member said. And, have un-ignored after a while like Helen :)

I gotta say, I love these verses. I love the ORDER of them because I have lived the dis-orderly interpretation of these, and other verses...and what that lead me to was chaos and confusion. I wonder...how would one know when to keep silent? How would they know there was not interpreter in...

That is what I thought too @Helen I was under the impression that we can still see others reply's to those who we might have on ignore...hmm.

I pray God will give you all the strength to overcome any challange that comes your way!

"If Jesus the miracle worker who raised the dead, healed the sick, turned water into wine and stilled the sea, did all this and more after humbling himself, who was he when he was in heaven?" Just want to add one thing to your list of Christ's miracles...He also forgave sin!!! :eek:

Yes, a bit lengthy, lol. BUT...chock full of good info. Thank you for the reply...I agree with all you say ... except one thing and that is the "pre-trib rapture. Believed it for a very long time but, I see it differently now. All of the rest of your posts are awesome and very well thought...