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  1. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Not everyone is given the whole prophetic story. I believe Paul too and in Rom. 11:25-32 he saw the enddate of the church and the return to the natural branches
  2. Trekson

    What are Israel's End Time Beliefs?

    I would say that while looking for the symbolic that doesn't exist, you're missing out on the literalness all around you. Rev. is a book of mostly unfulfilled prophecy that in most cases will have a literal fulfillment. When symbolism is used, it is explained somewhere else within the text. With...
  3. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    How do you see that? The term "firstfruits" has different meanings depending on the context. God sets them aside back in Rev. 7. The 144,000 are the first of Israel to be saved to enter the millennial era in their humanity. In this case, it's not talking about a resurrection unless you want to...
  4. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    There is coming a day when the "all Israel" will consist of ethnic Israeli born again believers in Christ after the time of the gentiles has been fulfilled. The 1/3 of Zech. 13:8-9. Why is that such a hard concept to understand?
  5. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    The concept that God still has a plan for the nation of Israel in the millennial age. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel. The church has an end date, Israel doesn't. Heaven is for the church, the earth is for Israel.
  6. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    There will come a time when the remnant of Israel is the "all" of Israel that gets saved.
  7. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    God is the one that declares a future for the nation of Israel. I just believe God's word over man's. In Rom. 11:25 there is this word "until" when the blindness that now affects the nation of Israel will cease and they will be open to accepting Christ on a national level and that level will...
  8. Trekson

    The Third Woe

    Hi Douggg, I don't agree w/ your chart but I like it's set up. I'm a senior and to be honest I don't know how to do something like that. I was wondering if you might have a template or something that I could use to develop my own chart that I would be able to add too, subtract from and edit it's...
  9. Trekson

    What are Israel's End Time Beliefs?

    False Prophet, 3:12 seems to be in heaven and 19:12 he is coming "from" heaven, where he had already rec'd that name.
  10. Trekson

    What are Israel's End Time Beliefs?

    How is it anti-semetic to write about what Israel believes? This has been their belief for thousands of years! Maybe you should read it again because there isn't anything there at all that would be assumed to be anti-semetic!
  11. Trekson

    What are Israel's End Time Beliefs?

    Christ won' Christ won't be changing his name on earth but he may in heaven. Imo. Zech. 14 is mostly post mill and no, imo there is no one presently on the scene that seems to be making messianic claims. I don't think the a/c will come on the scene claiming to be the messiah. I think he'll let...
  12. Trekson

    The Third Woe

    Agree to disagree on the timings but, imo Zech. 14 is mostly post mill as well as Ez.38 and Ez. 39 is post Armageddon. There is no such thing as a separate Gog, Magog war apart from Armageddon and Rev. 20:9.
  13. Trekson

    The Third Woe

    In your chart, you say "count forward" 1290 days from day 1185. I agree that at least one of the 1260 day times can do that as none of them have definitive starting dates, but "not" days 1290-1335. They have to start from day 1260. There are no start over dates that start again on day 1. So, it...
  14. Trekson

    The Third Woe

    The 70th week doesn't end w/ Armageddon as there will be 45-75 days left of the week and no I'm not speaking of the 1290 or 1335 days of Dan. 12. They will follow day 1260 as they should. The 70th week doesn't start over on day 1 after day 1260.
  15. Trekson

    The Third Woe

    The bible doesn't tell us how long the GT will be and Rev. 13:7 does not lead directly into vs. 10. Vs. 8-9 is in between, thus only part of that time will be persecuting the church and most of that will be done by his minions. He's got a whole lot he wants to accomplish in those 42 months and...
  16. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Yes, what you say about the rapture is true but I am speaking about after the rapture but it is very possible that God will set some of Israel aside, a remnant of human believers to start the millennium with. The church is "not" Israel. Replacement theory is a false doctrine.
  17. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    They will NOT continue in the unbelief. Millennial ethnic Israel will "all" be born again believers in Christ. The church has an end date, Israel does not. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel. That there will be ultimate unity between the two is the goal but...
  18. Trekson

    The Third Woe

    I would say since it is a prophecy, when it is says it is past that is just what it means in the context of the prophecy which is why 'all" the trumpet judgments will be fulfilled by the middle of the week as the third woe leaves satan w/ 42 months to do his thing. The theology that believes the...
  19. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Sometimes the identities of the church and Israel get misconstrued which can lead to false conclusions based on wrongful assumptions. There are two Israels in scripture. There is of course the physical nation of Israel and there is a spiritual Israel which is founded in faith and with the...