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So is the binding of Satan tied directly to the new covenant? It means that the Gentiles weren’t under the old covenant, it was for Jews, that’s how it was structured. The old covenant was a bilateral covenant, the Jews had certain physical requirements and God had certain requirements. The...

In the Old Testament times only a remnant of Jews were saved. Was that also due to Satan being loosed at that time? Or should we attribute that to the old covenant and its structure.

Well I can’t speak for anyone else but I would say the power of death taken away from Satan had to do with the new covenant itself and Christ’s death, not necessarily whether Satan was bound or not.

Sure, even atheists today fear physical death. Do you think Hebrews 2:14-15 has anything to do with Satan being loosed or bound?

What difference does it make? Amill folks shouldn’t be trying to make the verse seem like it’s referring to Gentiles being in fear of the second death prior to the cross. It isn’t referring to the binding of Satan, it’s referring to the difference between the old covenant and new covenant.

What kind of death is Hebrews 2:14-15 talking about? If the Gentiles during the Old Testament times didn’t even know about the Old Testament because Satan was deceiving them then they wouldn’t have even been aware of the second death, so the “fear of death” in Hebrews 2:15 would have to be...

I think we all would agree that some people were being saved prior to the old covenant and nation of Israel, and Satan wasn’t bound at that time. This in itself should be proof enough that an unbound Satan can’t prevent people from becoming saved. After the old covenant is created and Israel...

Ok, I agree with you that Gentiles were saved prior to the cross. So what is your view of Satan being bound? Was Satan bound so a large number of Gentiles could be saved vs a small number of Gentiles?

Well, as far as a Gentile being “saved” prior to the cross, I’m referring to the final destination of that individual after physical death. We know of Nineveh as an entire group of Gentiles that received the Word but there are some people who will argue that no one was actually “saved” in...

Prior to the cross, could a Gentile, who remained outside of the nation of Israel, have faith and be saved? If the answer is yes, then there is one true “spiritual Israel” people of God, through out time, but it doesn’t matter whether Satan is bound or not, Gentiles get saved. If the answer is...

When a person stands at the great white throne judgement and their sins have already been forgiven, they don’t have to pay for those sins a second time. If that were the case then we would be in doubt about our future after our physical death, we would have no assurance. Those who died before...

Ok, I’m not arguing against it but your view is that the bottomless pit is a condition and that there are currently people in the bottomless pit (in that condition)?

But wouldn’t that analogy mean that people who are deceived (bit) by Satan are in the bottomless pit (10’ area)?

1st seal: Revelation 6:1-2 When the Lamb opens the first seal, the first beast which is like a lion says come and see. The rider on the white horse goes forth conquering and to conquer. The words conquering and conquer are Strong’s #3528 which is more commonly used as overcome. In...

All happened at His birth.

The slain Lamb could open seals prior to the cross, just like Jesus was able to forgive sins prior to the cross. Matthew 9:5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? 6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins...

Right, the Lamb has to be slain before the seals are opened. Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

So if someone can show, for example, that the first four seals take place prior to the cross, then that could be a chain of events that leads to Satan’s binding at the cross. We know Jesus was given work to complete, that work was more than just the cross, so it could be looked at as a chain of...

Perhaps we could look at the chain as a chain of events. So the seven seals, seven trumpets, and seven bowls might each be links in that great chain.

Hey Marty, I’ve been following along here and I just have an observation about this, not trying to debate any position. In Matthew 26:39 Jesus prays if it’s possible let this cup pass from me. An argument can be made that the cup is a metaphor for wrath. In Matthew 20:22-23 Jesus says ye shall...